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sabine Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2004 Posts: 31 Location: Lewisburg, PA 17837
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject: Anybody Know About VW Industrial Engines? |
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Hello!
I am in need of some information on VW stationary/industrial engines. From what my limited research tells me, they were nearly exactly the same as the standard powerplants we all love to hear running behind us - with the exception of a governor, often a different (older model) carb, and an interesting hack-job of a tranny on the back complete wiit pulley. Has anyone either run one of these in a stationary application, or has anyone used a modified/unmodified aircooled VW engine in a stationary application? Did it work well? How often did you need to perform the typical services as outlined in "regular" VW repair manuals? How many hours, on average, before problems arose? I would really appreciate hearing from anyone who has tried something like this.
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ThorAlex Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2006 Posts: 620 Location: Norway
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know much about them but i think the interior is the same but exterior parts are different. The Norwegian military just sold off 10-15 VW-powered fire pumps a month or two ago so i guess they work pretty good to have lasted this long. (the Norwegian military isn't known for changing stuff that still works, when i served two years ago the basic equipment was mostly the same as my father used in the 60's) |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33883 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder if they ran different cams, since they are intended to run at a narrow rpm range. |
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zozo Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2005 Posts: 5217 Location: South of Ol' San Antonio
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 12:22 am Post subject: |
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I've got a couple of small, pocket size books dedicated to industrial engines. If you'd like me to look something up for you, just ask. |
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Russ Wolfe Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2004 Posts: 25187 Location: Central Iowa
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 7:55 am Post subject: |
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KTPhil wrote: |
I wonder if they ran different cams, since they are intended to run at a narrow rpm range. |
They ran 009 distributors.
I have worked on the ones that were built as air compressors. Run on 2 cyl. compress on 2 cylinders. Those did have a different cam.
My brother just rebuilt one for a portable sawmill. He told me, that it had no cooling tin. The company that built the unit is still in business. He called them, and the told him that is the way that it was designed. _________________ Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!--Edward Abbey
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oorwullie Samba Member
Joined: May 01, 2003 Posts: 2365 Location: fribourg,switzerland
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Russ Wolfe wrote: |
KTPhil wrote: |
I wonder if they ran different cams, since they are intended to run at a narrow rpm range. |
They ran 009 distributors.
I have worked on the ones that were built as air compressors. Run on 2 cyl. compress on 2 cylinders. Those did have a different cam.
My brother just rebuilt one for a portable sawmill. He told me, that it had no cooling tin. The company that built the unit is still in business. He called them, and the told him that is the way that it was designed. |
you have any pics russ? i have one like that but with cooling tin, possibly it's completely different to your US designed units.
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Russ Wolfe Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2004 Posts: 25187 Location: Central Iowa
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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The air compressors that I worked on, I do not have any photos. But they did not look like the one you show.
They used standard 40hp heads, and had a custom intake manifold.
The sawmill my brother did was in Washington state.
IIRC, he said it was a rope start. _________________ Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!--Edward Abbey
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oorwullie Samba Member
Joined: May 01, 2003 Posts: 2365 Location: fribourg,switzerland
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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ok. i've never seen one the same as mine yet. it actually has a bellhousing and starter motor on the back and it all works very well although not shiny and restored. |
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Russ Wolfe Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2004 Posts: 25187 Location: Central Iowa
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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There is a guy about 20 miles from me that has an air compressor with a stocktype 40hp on it. It is a screw type compressor. Bad part is, that his has a rod out in it, and he doesn't want to pay my prices to fix it. _________________ Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!--Edward Abbey
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hazetguy Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2001 Posts: 10773 Location: iT StiNgeD iTseLf tO dEAd
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Russ Wolfe wrote: |
They ran 009 distributors.
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they were not 009's, they were industrial engine specific mechanical advance distributors, with industrial part numbers (i don't have a good pic of the bosch number, buy you can at least see the 003 at the end of it). or they ran magnetos, depending on application.
i've seen (and rebuilt) a few that were used for making snow at a skiing "resort".
seeing an industrial engine parts book (and service book) is pretty cool, as there are so many different adaptations for so many applications.
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Russ Wolfe Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2004 Posts: 25187 Location: Central Iowa
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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The 009 distributor is an industrial distributor.
It is a 126 905 205. The same as the one you show. It is the one that supersedes the 001 and the 003.
Designed to run at one constant RPM. Which is usually about 3200-3500 RPM. _________________ Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!--Edward Abbey
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 6371 Location: Pentwater, Michigan
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:23 am Post subject: |
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Actually the VW# 126 905 205 and the Bosch # 126 178 003 are the same distributor.Superceded only by the 126 178 001. The 001 and the 003 were stock distributors for industrial engines and have both a VW and Bosch part number on them. The 009 does not have a VW part number which begs the question what were they really designed for... ? _________________ Roads Scholar &
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singlecab64 Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 162 Location: texas
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:23 am Post subject: |
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so where do I go to find out information on a industrial engine that I have. it has a stubby transmission on it with a four belt pully on it and the shifter curves to the front of the engine. there is a tag on the housing. Is the a web site where I can decode the tag numbers. |
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PaRacer Samba Member
Joined: November 15, 2010 Posts: 149 Location: Pa
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:57 am Post subject: |
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Snapped this pic at Bob's VW in Strattanville, Pa. Sullair compressor powered by VW.
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Timsflat4 Samba Member
Joined: September 18, 2013 Posts: 4 Location: Chico, Ca
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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:25 pm Post subject: PTO drive |
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I have a pto bell housing adapter with the shaft that bolts to the flywheel. It came off a 1500 that was running a sawmill up in Oregon. I don't have the engine anymore but it had a extremely mild cam. Had no guts but would run on the freeway at 4500+ rpms all day. Wish I still had it. I'll post pics of the PTO drive. |
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Shadd Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2007 Posts: 883 Location: Lancaster, Ohio
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:26 am Post subject: |
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My favorite VW industrial engine application, located in the Wright Patterson AFB museum.
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oorwullie Samba Member
Joined: May 01, 2003 Posts: 2365 Location: fribourg,switzerland
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:45 am Post subject: |
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singlecab64 wrote: |
so where do I go to find out information on a industrial engine that I have. it has a stubby transmission on it with a four belt pully on it and the shifter curves to the front of the engine. there is a tag on the housing. Is the a web site where I can decode the tag numbers. |
you could post nice clear pictures of it for a start. |
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Ghia 1966 Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2012 Posts: 542 Location: NY
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Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Could that b used in vw cars?! _________________ - Split De luxe 1950
- Oval Ragtop 1956
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DWP Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2007 Posts: 577 Location: Pa.
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oorwullie Samba Member
Joined: May 01, 2003 Posts: 2365 Location: fribourg,switzerland
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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since 1987.
" Perhaps one of the most unique factors about these units is their ability to self govern and
auto load. Meaning when maximum pressure is attained the unit stops pumping and
slows down slightly. When air is used and pressure drops the unit speeds up and starts
pumping again."
mine was doing just that in 1963. |
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