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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great dyno info! Any idea why the 69,5 cranked Okrasa engine was so low on torque compared to a similar engine with stock crank? Any other differences?

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Ronnie, looks like you did good and the mild cam helped. Here are some HP and Torque comparisons from other 36ers over the years.

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04/10 36hp HORSEPOWER RATINGS
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25hp…1131cc(64 x 75) Stock VW to 1953 rated at 25hp


36hp…1192cc(64 x 77) Stock VW stock engine(30hp Euro)24hp to rear wheels / Comp:6.6-1 Torque:60 @ 2400 rpms
56 @ 2000 rpms

41hp…1192cc(64 x 77) Deitz dual carb(28pci) S/P stock engine
Comp:6.6-1

45hp…1192cc(64 x 77) Express dual carb S/P stock engine
Comp:6.6-1

48hp…1192cc(64 x 77) Okrasa dual carb(32pbi) D/P stock cam, D/P Comp:7.5-1 Torque:75.0 @ 2200 rpms

53hp…1192cc(64 x 77) WW dual carb(32---) D/P Web cam, D/P Heads
Comp:_____ Torque:74.5@ 3000rpms

51hp…1192cc(64 x 77) Judson supercharged(28pci) Web cam, S/P Heads Comp:______ Torque:82.9@2500rpms

57hp…1192cc(64 x 77) Judson supercharged(28pci) stock engine
42hp to rear wheelsComp:6.6-1 Torque:64.0 @ 2400 rpms

?hp…1192cc(64 x 77) Bruch turbocharged(H-D Kehin)stock cam, S/P heads Comp:6.6-1

54hp…1192cc(67 x 7Cool Denzel dual carb(32pb) D/P stock cam, D/P heads Comp:7.4-1 Torque:66.7

64hp…1281cc(67 x 7Cool Denzel dual carb(32pb) D/P stock cam, D/P heads
Comp:8.2-1 big bore P&C’s, D/P heads
Torque:83.0 @ 2700 rpms

71hp…1281cc(67 x 7Cool Denzel dual carb(32pb) D/P Super Cam, D/P heads
Comp:8.2-1 big bore P&C’s, D/P heads

51hp…1285cc(69 x77) Okrasa dual carb(32pb) D/P stock cam, D/P heads
40hp to rear wheels/Comp:8.5-1 stroker crank,Torque:68.0 @ 3000 rpms

60hp…1285cc(69 x 77) Okrasa dual carb(32pb) D/P Isky 2j cam, D/P heads
Comp:8.5-1 stroker crank

65hp…1285cc(69 x 77) Okrasa dual carb(32pb) D/P Super Cam, D/P heads
Comp:8.5-1 stroker crank

63hp…1378cc(74 x 77) Bruchrasa dual carb(28pci) S/P,Turbo Cam,S/P heads
Comp:9.5-1 Porsche 356 crank

? hp…1415cc(76 x 77) Bruch single carb(28pci) S/P Erson 410 Cam,S/P heads
Comp:9.11-1,Porsche 356 crank

67.5hp.1433cc( x ) Oval 56 dual carb(Reichert 34pci)
50hp rear wheels(126nm torque)

75hp…1500cc(76.6x79) Okrasa dual carb(Weber 40)S/P,Super Cam, D/P heads
Comp:8.5-1 stroker crank, big bore P&C’s

98hp…1500cc( x ) Denzel dual carb(40) D/P Wild Cam, D/P heads
Comp:9.5-1 stroker crank, big bore P&C’s

80hp…1620cc ( x ) Okrasa dual carb(32) D/P D/P heads
Bengt Holmen stroker crank,big bore P&C’s

63.3hp.1621cc ( x ) Okrasa dual carb( Kadron) D/P D/P heads
rear wheels Julio Iniques Torque 76.32 flyhweel
¼ mile 69.45 mph 18.83 seconds

? ( x ) Pepco ? More info requested!
59.8hp at rear wheels(93nm Torque)





HEAD FLOW(cfm)

Okrasa Head Flow 54.1 cfm

Stock Head Flow 37.2 cfm

Bruchrasa Head Flow 56.2 cfm

Denzel Head Flow _?_ cfm


COMPRESSION RATIOS

Okrasa Head only 7.5-1

Okrasa Crank only 7.5-1

Okrasa combined 8.5-1 Heads with Crank
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

quick question...

if stock Stock Head Flow is 37.2 cfm, then does the standard 36hp motor flow 74.4 cfm?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I've been running the kit for a year and half and run up over a 1000 miles. Am very happy with the performance and like everyone else had a few teething problems, mainly with the carbs. I now need to rebuild as I managed to break the stock crank in two pieces! I'm going to go for the WW 69.9mm crank and Isky grind cam and have a few questions. Firstly, what size barrel spacers do you need to take into account the increased stroke and increase in CR, and secondly, with the Isky cam are new stock pushrods and stock oil pump ok. I only ask as I know you have to change to an uprated pump if you are using an Engle or other cam in bigger cc engines. I'm also assuming that the stock valve springs are up to the job and won't break or bind.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the kit still available? The ww site says out of stock
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iamdonquixote wrote:
Is the kit still available? The ww site says out of stock


Call 888.965.3937 and ask.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iamdonquixote wrote:
Is the kit still available? The ww site says out of stock
Wagens West has a kit add: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1504619
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The WW dual carb kits are still available. The reason the web site shows "out of stock" is because they have run out of the T-fitting for the fuel lines. A new batch has been ordered from Germany and should be arriving sometime soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just ordered a kit from WW. They were out of fuel lines....they are all back in stock. Order UP! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert Chambers wrote:
iamdonquixote wrote:
Is the kit still available? The ww site says out of stock
Wagens West has a kit add: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1504619
It looks like the same kit to me. What's added?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just an FYI. In my 57 Oval, I have over 11k miles on the W.W. Okrasa Kit over about 2 years. Berg deep sump and Speedwell Exhaust. Had some Carb adjustment issues early on, but runs good and strong. It may go to Bonneville in Sept!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please do! It's going to be huge this year.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aircooled60 wrote:
Just an FYI. In my 57 Oval, I have over 11k miles on the W.W. Okrasa Kit over about 2 years. Berg deep sump and Speedwell Exhaust. Had some Carb adjustment issues early on, but runs good and strong. It may go to Bonneville in Sept!


Thats good to hear. Mine should be on the road soon. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've run into a fitting issue with my right hand air filter, has anyone encountered this before?
From measuring it looks like the air filter needs to be 10mm shorter on that side, it starts touching when the lid is about half way up - the decklid lines up with the body nicely and closes nicely, so I can't see adjusting it would work.

My only thought was to cut down the air filter (move the internal bracket to make it shorter then cut down the element), but that's fairly involved. Anyone have any tips?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TomF wrote:
I've run into a fitting issue with my right hand air filter, has anyone encountered this before?
From measuring it looks like the air filter needs to be 10mm shorter on that side, it starts touching when the lid is about half way up - the decklid lines up with the body nicely and closes nicely, so I can't see adjusting it would work.

My only thought was to cut down the air filter (move the internal bracket to make it shorter then cut down the element), but that's fairly involved. Anyone have any tips?

Cheers!


Does your engine sit at the right hight? No mix up of parts from different years? If I remember correctly the engine will sit too high if you use the transmission bracket (the one between the frame-fork, don't know the correct english term) from a post 1961 type 1.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tobiasax wrote:
Does your engine sit at the right hight? No mix up of parts from different years? If I remember correctly the engine will sit too high if you use the transmission bracket (the one between the frame-fork, don't know the correct english term) from a post 1961 type 1.

Thanks for the hints! No it definitely sits correctly, all seals line up etc. Checked the transmission carrier after you said, definitely the correct one for my year (55).

The car had a rear end crash at some point in it's history (in Sweden incidentally), it seems as it's not something obvious that I'm doing wrong that might be the cause.
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey all,

just got done installing the WW kit. I got the kit with CSP linkage and I'm having an issue. Has anyone had to install a return spring on the linkage to get the car to idle? I know there is the return spring on the bell crank and yes, I do have tension at that spring but just not enough to pull the rods back that little bit. I have the rods adjusted all the way in till they bottom out. I'm thinking of cutting a couple of mm of the threaded end so I can pull them in more but I was wondering if anyone else has had the issue.

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:10 am    Post subject: WW Idle Issue Reply with quote

Hi John

I had the same problem on mine and added springs, loosened to throttle cable etc. I found (eventually) that the accelerator pump pushrod adjusting nut on one of the carbs either was adjusted way to tight, or the nut vibrated in to the point that it held the carb linkage from closing completely. I adjusted both accelerator pump rods correctly (Put some blue locktite on the threads), removed all the xtra springs and have never had the problem since. Good Luck!

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Rob, I'm trying to think of a way to hook a return spring onto the bell crank but I don't want to make it too crappy. I was almost thinking that you could use the original spring that was on the accelerator cable on the early carbs. Cut the sleeve that goes over the spring (this way the bell crank can fully turn with out hitting it) install the sleeve onto the spring/cable and it would look nice and clean.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Okrasa heads/kit Reply with quote

I haven't seen a whole lot of updates for a while, just thought I'd add my experience on the kit. I do think it's awesome that WW decided to make this kit, I just wish more thought was put into it as far originality and quality. The cylinder seating surface problem seems to be fixed, but the manifold flanges aren't flat, the throttle shafts need to be bushed right out of the box, the jetting and venturi's aren't correct, and the mounting holes in the carbs are twice the size of the bolts supplied to mount them to the manifolds. I get that people seem to have run these kits right out of the box, but I personally don't know anyone that actually cares enough to put the time in to make sure it all goes together how it should. I was amazed at the amount of work it took me to put together this kit, and I've been working on these cars for over 20 years. I've always done my own work, aside from machine work, and I've never run into this many problems building a 1600 based high performance engine. You're into this kit for well over $2000 after it's all said and done to make it correct, and that doesn't include my personal labor.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg West Okrasa heads/kit Reply with quote

Good comments Jay. I have 2- 36's With the Wolfburg Kit and I'm quite often chasing Carb adjustment and one of the manifold flanges is warped and it is double gasketed until I get around to pulling it apart and file the flange down.
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