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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the clarification Karl. I don't suppose you'd consider moving to Oregon any time in the next 5 years, would ya'? LOL.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dobryan. I may take you up on that offer. Who did your install? Is the power enough to enjoy driving on the highway?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

casey79westfalia wrote:
dobryan. I may take you up on that offer. Who did your install? Is the power enough to enjoy driving on the highway?


I did the install using the Vanaru kit. It's really easy to do if you can turn a wrench.

The power is awesome. I can cruise at 80+ and still have *plenty* of power left for passing. I am able to be much more relaxed on the highway since I can go with whatever traffic lane and flow speed that suits me. Before I'd have to avoid certain situations because I didn't have the power to safely be in those lanes.

Come on by and give it a try.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will have to come by in the near future and try it out. I like the fact that the subaru can use my existing trans.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

casey79westfalia wrote:
Well first I need to find a van. Then after I find a nice van I can begin putting a kit together. I dont think there is any need to spend 30k for a tdi. It sounds like most people are doing it for around 6-7k. I can always do it myself and just by the kit from karl. I restored an entire 77 westy last year from the ground up in 8 months. I am sure I can do the tdi quicker if i get the parts or have someone install it. I also work full time and have a 2 year old and have been restoring a 62 dc. It will get done. I am just getting involved in vanagons but I have owner corrados, gti's and have played with vr6 and 1.8t conversions before so I am not scared to get my hands dirty.


wow.... nice bay. Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am getting ready to put an AHU TDI engine out of a 97 passat into my 89 westy at 50 degrees. Franks VW repair, LLC of Lockwood, MO rebuilt the motor for me. The motor was fine but had 257k on it. Frank is an awesome guy and only works on TDI's.

Salvage Car $800
motor rebuild $2400
conversion parts $700
e TDI wiring harness conversion $750
Trans regear around $1500 I'm guessing. havent done that yet.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The esteemed Karl M thus spoke. . .
"The customer Syncro is a '90 and quite gadget-filled if you're into that."

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

singler3360 wrote:
Thanks for the clarification Karl. I don't suppose you'd consider moving to Oregon any time in the next 5 years, would ya'? LOL.


Actually, I'm still considering a move to the PNW. Need to find time to look around for a property that works.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big swifty wrote:
The esteemed Karl M thus spoke. . .
"The customer Syncro is a '90 and quite gadget-filled if you're into that."

Pics?


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Not shown: Espar D4 diesel furnace w/altitude kit and digital thermostat, aux fuel tank system w/overfill protection circuit, triple battery setup, temperature monitoring gauge for the intercooler in/out/radiator, big brake kit, etc. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweeeet bus Karl! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

westyventures wrote:
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I've looked at a lot of TDi install pictures, Karl, and yours are consistently the model to shoot for - clearly super clean and figured out. A big thumbs up from me!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

outwesty wrote:
I am getting ready to put an AHU TDI engine out of a 97 passat into my 89 westy at 50 degrees. Franks VW repair, LLC of Lockwood, MO rebuilt the motor for me. The motor was fine but had 257k on it. Frank is an awesome guy and only works on TDI's.

Salvage Car $800
motor rebuild $2400
conversion parts $700
e TDI wiring harness conversion $750
Trans regear around $1500 I'm guessing. havent done that yet.

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good luck!

Could you give us some details and price breakdown on what "conversion parts" you got? And also on who done the wiring harness conversion.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Vanagon.eu has most of the conversion parts you will need. Jurgen is a nice guy and his prices are reasonable.

-David Marshall at http://www.hasenwerk.ca/hasenelektronic/ is a master at electronic TDI swaps and can build you a harness for whatever tdi motor you want.

-M-TDI is another cool option. You can run a TDI with no ECU with a modified injection pump. Karl at westyventures.com can build you a pump if you choose to go that route.

-Daryl at AAA transaxle is one you will want to talk with about regearing 3rd and 4th gear. I still havent pulled the trigger but have only heard good things about his transaxle work. I hope to drop my tranny off there when I go visit a friend this fall.

-Frank at Frank's VW TDI's, LLC in Lockwood, MO is the man at rebuilding TDI engines if your donor motor has really high miles. If you give him the oil pan/pump/ pickup he will assemble it with that stuff already on it. (shown above)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Electric Wizard wrote:
200 foot pounds is a hell of a lot of torque.
That must be a blast to drive.

Yes it's swell...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:25 pm    Post subject: Vanogon with V6 TDI Reply with quote

Not only will any TDI work, but you can also put in the V6 TDI if you really want power. And it is so low, that no angle is required at all, so stock bellhousings are available from VW for it. (The V6 TDI is used in the Touareg and Cayanne. Passat has the V6 but gas only in the US.) The V6 is not at all like the Vr6, in that it has 2 heads and 4 cams. It is extremely low.
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The VW Touareg TDI and Audi Q7 TDI use the same 3.0L TDI engine, model name "CATA". Power in the Touareg and Q7 are rated at 225 hp and 406 lb-ft of torque at only 1,750 rpm.
Each bank is at 45 degrees, since it is a 90 degree V.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the propensity for 5 banger TDIs to ruin vanagon transmissions I wouldn't want to roll the dice with a 6...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackbombay wrote:
Given the propensity for 5 banger TDIs to ruin vanagon transmissions I wouldn't want to roll the dice with a 6...


I put a 911 engine in my 1966 van and drove is for years with no trouble. It is not the hp that matters, but the driver. I don't use the extra hp for starts, but just keeping it going up hills. Never had any transmission or reduction box problem. But that was before cv joints.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackbombay wrote:
Given the propensity for 5 banger TDIs to ruin vanagon transmissions I wouldn't want to roll the dice with a 6...


I wonder with an additional cylinder if the oscillations would change enough to make an improvement ?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that 5-cyl TDIs' propensity for destroying transmissions is due entirely to the amount of torque it produces and has absolutely nothing to do with the number of cylinders.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

casey79westfalia wrote:
So rsxr is the subaru 2.5 going to have more power then the tdi??


No idea. I am not a subaru person. My ALH before the nozzle upgrade was making about 100 hp at the rear wheels and about 150 foot pounds of torque. Have not been back on the dyno since. So use those number for comparison to a Subaru 2.5.

If someone were to tune a TDI to make double the hp at the rear wheels, the torque would also go up. So I'd expect 200 hp at the wheels to be near 300 foot pounds of torque. That is a lot of torque for a driveline designed for much less hp and torque. Not saying it can't be done.

I drive ours very conservatively. Even with the larger nozzles, I am running the stock 1.6 NA pressure plate and disc. Everything I have read says the clutch should be slipping. If I want to go fast, I have a race car for that.
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