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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:36 pm    Post subject: Steering Box Question - Front Orifice - Fill with Grease? Reply with quote

The front facing orifice on the steering box, the one that faces forward/down... Is that supposed to be filled with grease, or have some type of dust seal on it?

Ours is open after the rebuild, and I just filled it to the rim with the grease I used inside...

What do your steering boxes look like?



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here you go!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well the front orifice should be filled with a threaded plug Shocked and the steering box should be filled with gear oil.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so the front of the box is open? where did the plug go?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a pic showing what I mean...

(I don't want to get into an oil vs grease discussion. Everyone has different opinions on this.)


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That orange fuzzy thing which of which you speak? That should be your adjusting screw for the steering worm gear. It should not be open to the inside of the box, but rather it is recessed to accept a hex key wrench.

(edit to actually answer your question)... it should have neither grease or dust seal, but should be clean and dry.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I take it back. If you have to choose between packing it full of grease, or using it as a place to store your chain saw wrench, I would choose grease.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL...

Okay, so I should dry it out. I will try that.


I was just worried of things getting inside it without grease being there, or was thinking we were missing a dust cap of some sort....


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thedeatons wrote:
Here is a pic showing what I mean...

(I don't want to get into an oil vs grease discussion. Everyone has different opinions on this.)


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Is this a picture of the actual steering box in question?

If so, that looks like a Worm and Sector style box - (the picture Max posted is of a Worm and Roller box - way different!)

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those don't have any big hex bolt on the bottom to adjust, the adjustment on those is on the top!!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh wow... I just realized I didn't give a lot of information.

It's the steering box from our 1965 Type 1 Beetle.


I'm just wondering if that front hole where the red stuff is (Redlin CV Moly grease is packed in there) should be packed with anything, like grease, or if it should just be open and dry...


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no open hole on a steering box. If there was dirt would get inside and ruin it. And all the oil would leak out and make a mess. From what I have seen all the ones I ever cracked open where filled with oil. Brand new ones you get today are filled with oil. Some people like to use grease. I'm sure VW used what they thought would work best in there. They used oil. They did not leave them dry. Do that and it wont last long.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sigh... I meant is that front hole supposed to be left dry. Now it is filled with grease because i did that on the rebuild.

Am i not communicating my question properly? Is everyone understanding what i am asking?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James,

The consensus is that regardless of which style of steering box you have, be it worm and roller or worm and sector, there should be no open holes in the steering box. If there is an open hole, you need to get the correct part to fill it. Using grease to fill such a hole is ill-advised.

I've never taken apart a worm and sector box, but you can somewhat tell from the drawing above that there is some type of a plug or other device which sits in front of the worm gear to close this hole. In a worm and roller box it's the adjusting screw as I've mentioned above. So this is no longer a grease or dry answer to your question, sorry. Open hole in steering box = bad.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay... That makes sense.

The hole is open for a short distance, then there is a shaft in there.


I will clean it out and take a look, then tell you guys what I find.


I just couldn't imagine having an exposed shaft-end that is constantly being turned, with no protection over it.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a better image of the Worm and Sector type box, there is supposed to be an end cap there at the worm's lower bearing.

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and for comparison, the same angle on a Worm and roller box, where there's an adjuster at the bottom.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about that. Any day I learn something is a good day.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent thread. Thanks!!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The old standby black moly lube we have used 4 yrs in cv's is my lube of choice now. Been using in the gear boxes of my mower 4 a long time also and if it will stand up in these it will be fine in a steering box.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old boxes (with the single metal plug) used oil. The later boxes (with two plastic plugs) used grease. I repack either with Moly EP grease.
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