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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:22 am    Post subject: Rometsch Lawrence registry Reply with quote
I tried to get an overview of the current remaining Rometsch Lawrences.

If you have any information about other rometsches or information about the bodynumber or current owner or locations of rometsches shown here, please let me know (private message). Please NO owner names here publicly on the forum.

For the Lawrence there no more than 85 build!. It seems that there are 3 different body styles.

· Round taillights with the curve on the body
· Rectangular taillight with or without the curved in the body
· Different grill on front

There is no definitive bodynumber when these changes happened. At least all the round taillight cars are curved style. For the rest it looks like the customer could specify if he wanted a curved or a smooth style body.

I found 26 different lawrences that survived.

Here are the pictures of the cars I have find. If anybody has info on other cars, please let me know

The 1st style: (round taillights with the curve in the body)

1: Body 515, 1957 Black Coupe located in Germany. This is the oldest Rometsch lawrence known.
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2: Body 526, 1958 RHD located in the UK. Car was found in South Africa and is probably the only factory build right hand drive in the world.
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3: Body 534, 1958, Found in swiss in 2009.
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4: Body 537, White-Black convertible in the US. (this is not old Phil Leadley car)
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5: Body 539, 1958 Convertible located in the Netherlands
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6: Body 542, 1958 Convertible form Grundmann
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7: Body ???, 1958 Black Convertible located in Germany. (Car was found orange)
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8: Body ???, 1958 Blue Coupe located in Italy
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9: Body ???, 1958 White-Black Convertible owned by Phil Leadley, sold in 94 to Mac Jones, current location unknown.
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10: Body ???, 1958 Convertible in desperate need of restoration, Pictures were taken half 80th in Vermont, but car is still alive in located in the US.
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11: Body ???, 1958 Coupe for sale in Alpine, CA in 1983 for $1000. Car was saved and sold again in the late 90th for $5000. Around 2003 the car came in hands of Lenny Copp, Flat4 bought it and Lenny will take car of the restauration,
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12: Body ???, 1958 Convertible last know location was Austria
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The second style: rectangular taillight with or without the curved in the body

13: Body 555, 1958 Ratlook race rometsch owned by Kieft en Klok, the Netherlands
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14: Body 558, 1958 Convertible with damage located in the Netherland. On the damaged pictures it looks like it had round taillight?? The car is now being restored and the metal frame is almost done. The owner also collected the spare yellow doors.
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15: Body 559, Restored by Lenny Copp, now with Mr Komori Flat4. This car was the first with the smooth style, although same later cars had the curve again. In the steel frame the curve was still there, but the aluminium bodypanels were smooth.
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16: Body 563, Sold by Lenny Copp in 2006, now being restored in Germany
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17: Body 564, 1959 Blue coupe owned by Kieft en klok and now for sale:!:
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18: Body 566, 1959 Convertible restored by Randy (oldbug) and sold to VW autostadt in Wolfsburg.
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19: Body 567, 1959 Black-white in the US.
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20: Body 570, 1959 Black coupe in the US. Was sold by Jerry Coffen in 1987
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21: Body 571, 1959 Red-white Coupe located in the Volkswagen Auto Museum in Wolfsburg. Car was originall black and red and was abondoned as a single body by Dennis L at a shop in Costa Mesa in the 80th. Phil Leadley bought the body cheap and used it as a parts donor till approx. 2002, then sold to Volkswagen Auto Museum in Wolfsburg who restored it to the red-white coupe.
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22: Body ???, 1959 Red-white coupe located in Germany.
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23: Body ???. 1959 coupe sold by Randy in 2006, was also for sale at the classics in 2003. Now in florida
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24: Body ???, 1960 coupe, located in Germany
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25: Body ???, 1960 convertible, located in US and for sale:!: .
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Third syle: Different grill in front

26: Body 585, 1961 Coupe, The red one in the grundmann museum and last Rometsch build
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All pictures are taken form the internet. (mostly here from thesamba). If somebody has problems with a picture were they has copyright, please let me know and I will directly remove it.

Regards
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Those are some sexy beasts right there.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
More photos of #14 on the list, in Alpine, CA in 1983, current whereabouts unknown.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I believe this is Phil and Marybeth Leadley's '58 convertible (#8 on the list), at the VW Classic circa 1988.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Which one of these was marks? i dont remem his last name. It was a red and white. If joe ruiz chimes in, he will know marks last name. Mark used to work at competition engineering, and i rode in the car in about 1997/8 at the lakeport show. Mark was a cool guy, had long hair, and at the time the car had no rear window. When i asked joe, he said he was on the phone with mark the day the rear window fell out on the freeway Shocked
THAT i didnt know. crazy. car was so sick.

Crazyer still, i got a call about that one in alpine, and i hunted that fawker for DAYS... MAN i wanted that car. Ill never ever forget that. Still urks me to this day. I cant remem who it was that found it, but we talked, he had pics in hand, and said it was too far gone. I said.. ILL TAKE IT! lol.
may be someone whos watching this topic now. ahh the good old days. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi all

Thanks for all the information.
I got some good information last night including 2 new bodynumbers Very Happy I added them in the list and therefor also the numbering changed.

Keep the information coming. Get to you desk and upload those old pictures from the 80th and 90th.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:54 am    Post subject: Oldest Rometsch Lawrence Reply with quote
To my knowledge Nr. 1 on your list, the oldest surviving Rometsch Lawrence, is part of a very nice German VW collection and currently for sale.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:09 am    Post subject: Re: Oldest Rometsch Lawrence Reply with quote
originalo wrote:
To my knowledge Nr. 1 on your list, the oldest surviving Rometsch Lawrence, is part of a very nice German VW collection and currently for sale.


I know were the car is.
It was for sale for a while, but not anymore.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm beginning to think #13 and #14 on your list are the same car.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
t3kg wrote:
I'm beginning to think #13 and #14 on your list are the same car.

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Well, I have thought of that myself as well. The same piece of dashbord trim still attached, no windshield, same pattern for the seats. I very well can be.

The facts:
The yellow car was for sale in Alpine, CA in 1983
The "other" car was sold in the late 90th by Greg Adamec who lived near San Diego
The yellow doors and deck lid in the background came from a fellow in Desconso, Ca. who also had a 58 coupe, same color.
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A little hypothesis:
The fellow from Desconso bought the yellow car from Alpine, collected the yellow doors and lid from another car and sold the yellow car to Greg Adamec who started the resto. He sold it again in the late 90. In 2003 the car come in hands of Lenny who sold it to Japan (unconfirmed yet, still waiting for Lenny answer for this)

I just need some more information to be really sure.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Phil Leadley told me he bought spare body parts from the guy who had #14, so those must be the parts. I think the red and black coupe body was Phil's parts car for #9. Descanso and Alpine are small communities about 1 mile from each other east of San Diego, CA. I'm sure it's the same seller.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Phil wrote me that he bought the spare yellow bodyparts who a guy that also owned a yellow coupe. I didn't know Alpine and Descanso were near San Diego. (Now I looked them up in Google Maps)

So, I think this will ID car nr 13 en 14 as the same car. Lenny bought that car from the previous owner and sold it again. Current location unknown.

The black-red coupe body is now the red-white car in the VW museum. (confirmed by the museum).

So, two cars down in the list.
I will update the list.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Got some extra pictures today of car nr 13 and here you can clearly see that the car was yellow:
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This is the final prove that car nr 13 & 14 is the same car.

Car was sold to Lenny Copp in 2002/2003.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
just a thought, will it be a website with pics and registry just like karmann1952.de has?

it will be safer and easier to keep their track than filling a thread here, or you can just use this as discussion about cars/numbers etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
eurodub wrote:
just a thought, will it be a website with pics and registry just like karmann1952.de has?

it will be safer and easier to keep their track than filling a thread here, or you can just use this as discussion about cars/numbers etc.


I started this topic to get input about the lawrence model and to have discussion about the cars to get a good list of current know lawrecnes. In a couple of weeks the registry will be part of the Rometshe registry found here: http://www.rometschregistry.org/

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Got some extra pictures today of car nr 13 and here you can clearly see that the car was yellow:
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This is the final prove that car nr 13 & 14 is the same car.

Car was sold to Lenny Copp in 2002/2003.

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It's great to know that #14 still exists. Thank you.
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Does any of the known surviving Lawrence coupes have a sunroof?

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I like that photo brake down of every car along with there number.

We need one for other models, even hebs.
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http://karmann1952.de/html/hebmuller_register.html

Here you find the info for Hebs, Karmann's and soon another coachbuilt model .

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