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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:40 pm    Post subject: Starter Bushing Reply with quote

Can a starter bushing be replaced with the engine in the car? or is it just easier to pull the motor? Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it can be done with motor in the car. You MUST MUST raise the rear end. I like to use the ramps you back up on, take off heater tubes. Use a tap, screw it in the width of the bushing, get some vise grips on the back and wiggle it out. Use a convex drift to softly tap new bushing in. We used the back end of a screwdriver.

It could be easier to drop the motor instead, if you are versed in it. My buddy and I just replaced his bushing on his 59' with the motor in. It took about 30 minutes. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As 64vdub said, no need to pull the engine. Just pull the starter and anything else in the way (Heater tubes).
If you have a 6 volt starter use a 1/2" x 13 TAP to screw into the bushing to remove it.
If you have a 12 volt starter use a 7/16 x 14 TAP.
If you have a tranny from a 6 volt car but have a 12volt starter it will have a conversion bushing and that takes a 7/16 x 14 TAP also.
Basically it's a piece of cake with no icing. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a good friend who owns a VW shop told me something on the lines (I hope I don' tget what he said wrong) that you can replace the starter motor without changing the bushing by using one from an automatic. and the starter from the automatic is stronger.

anyone else heard of this or am i getting it wrong
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldenLeaf wrote:
a good friend who owns a VW shop told me something on the lines (I hope I don' tget what he said wrong) that you can replace the starter motor without changing the bushing by using one from an automatic. and the starter from the automatic is stronger.

anyone else heard of this or am i getting it wrong


You still need to take out the old bushing, you just don't need to install a new bushing as the autostick starters bendix is already sleeved. The semi-hard part is taking out the old bushing, not putting a new one in. The benefit of the autostick starter is that you don't have to worry about your bushing getting out of round which can(rarely) happen with the conventional system. I am not sure about the autostick starter having more or less power though. I am sure there is a post on this already or someone else can confirm this.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you use an auto stick starter you can just leave the old bushing in its not going to matter if there's a bushing in it or not.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So who is right?

Do we need a tie breaker?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you use an auto stick type starter, there is no need to remove the old starter bushing. As far as the auto stick type having more power, I know that this particular one has plenty of torque.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-MINI-STARTER-VOL...ories[url]
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to need to buy one next week. Is there 12V autostick starters.

Guessing 1967 and up.

Tried to lookup at auto parts websites but no luck.
Need to stop by the store soon.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bosch SR17X

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BOS-SR17X

Any good FLAPS should be able to get you one.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

says it on the bottom @ CIP

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BOS-SR17x
"This starter can be used on any 12 volt VW flywheel - therefore when converting from 6 volt to 12 volt on early cars- using this starter will eliminate the need to change the starter bushing in the transmission housing. "
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldenLeaf wrote:
says it on the bottom @ CIP

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BOS-SR17x
"This starter can be used on any 12 volt VW flywheel - therefore when converting from 6 volt to 12 volt on early cars- using this starter will eliminate the need to change the starter bushing in the transmission housing. "


Guess I was wrong about needing to remove the bushing to install autostick starter, I thought the autostick starter was already bushed on the end thus you would need to remove old bushing, GUESS NOT!

Anyways, when adding this starter to a 6v car, the bushing is not the labor intensive problem... You still need to change to a 12v flywheel Shocked Right? Unless you can get one with a 6v gear.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think your right still need to remover the 6v flywheel which is not what the original poster wanted, do back to bushing removal it is.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldenLeaf wrote:
..which is not what the original poster wanted...


point taken, just thought it was an IMPORTANT piece of info...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:59 am    Post subject: 6 volt vs. 12 volt flywheel Reply with quote

What is the difference between a 6 and 12 volt flywheel?
I'm trying to diagnose a binding starter condition. The engine will rotate fine by hand but cranks slow or not at all, sounds bad, and draws 250-350plus amps. I've replaced with a new 12v starter that does the same thing. I didn't replace the bushing in the front but it doesn't look that bad. Could this thing have a 6 volt flywheel?? Thank you.

This is a dune buggy conversion with 12 volts for everything. I dont know how old the engine is. My friend bought it this way and it has never started right.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: 6 volt vs. 12 volt flywheel Reply with quote

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What is the difference between a 6 and 12 volt flywheel?


6 volt = 109 teeth on FW and slightly smaller gear tooth OD than 12 volt.

12 volt = 130 teeth.

Installing wrong starter = bad.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:02 am    Post subject: Re: 6 volt vs. 12 volt flywheel Reply with quote

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biggreen1 wrote:
What is the difference between a 6 and 12 volt flywheel?


6 volt = 109 teeth on FW and slightly smaller gear tooth OD than 12 volt.

12 volt = 130 teeth.

Installing wrong starter = bad.


I think it may be just a bad bushing and from what i've been reading I can put on a starter for an auto. But if someone had previously put a 12v starter on this thing with a 6 volt flywheel would it turn with binding like i'm getting???
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:12 am    Post subject: Re: 6 volt vs. 12 volt flywheel Reply with quote

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I think it may be just a bad bushing and from what i've been reading I can put on a starter for an auto. But if someone had previously put a 12v starter on this thing with a 6 volt flywheel would it turn with binding like i'm getting???


Could be either.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Idea As stated the 6V has 109 teeth and the 12V 130 teeth.

The 6V (SR11X) and 12V (SR15X) starter both have a floating armature needing a bushing to hold the shaft in place (bushing in the bell houseing)

The 12V (SR17X) Auto starter has no need for a bushing as it has a internal support.

The correct starter has to match the flywheel ring gear teeth.

Many will convert a engine to 12V on top while retaining the 6V starter or making a mistake of installing the 12V starter on a former 6V flywheel thus the grinding noise or eventual bushing problem.

Could go with more detail but would have to know the particulars.
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