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kermatt Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2012 Posts: 105 Location: Lakewood, Co
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:49 am Post subject: |
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I was reading around and found this thread http://www.rs25.com/forums/f5/115598-roating-manifold-ej18-fuel-questions-2.html#post3000595
Someone else was struggling with some of the same issues 3-4 years ago. I asked the same question as Im asking here....still need some love on this one;
I realize this is an old post, but i'm currently doing this same project, and I think I have a cure for this issue....the hard lines that run under the manifold can be cut back to clear the water manifold, flared, and you can run a high psi hose on them.
However, I also had to change my coolant manifold by relocating the outlet and capping off one end. I did it mostly to make the water outlet face toward the radiator. I cut and lifted the cargo tray 5" to accomodate the radiator. Most people run the radiator in the front of the car.
Also, I wanted to keep the vintage VW gas tank, so I cut the top of a subaru gas tank (fuel pump housing and all), and grafted it into the top of my VW tank. The pickup length is actually perfect. I added one baffle to the bottom of the tank to prevent excess slosh. It took me about 3 hours to fab and about an hour to weld.
If anyone is still reading this thread, I have a few important questions I need answers for
I figured out all of the above information...but the one problem that you run into is this; You either have to flip the Alternator to the other side of the bracket, OR get Manifold spacers 1/2" to 3/4" ( think theyre called phenolithic spacers(sp?)). I dont want to flip the ALT, i think it belongs much better in the middle....but the spacers I found are over $120. I THOUGHT i found some made of aluminum for a lot cheaper, but i cant find em now. THIS is where I'm stuck!! Any help is awesome! _________________ 1970 GTV volksrod
Subaru EJ18 swap
Super beetle Z box trans
2.5" Drop
Ghia Rear torsions, short caps, adj spring plates
Front Disc brakes
E brake/turning brake mod
Custom apron w reverse opening hood
Custom Instrument cluster "Box"
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jhoefer Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Don't know how much you'd need, but you can get some 1/2-3/4" thick garolite sheet (G-XX or G-10/FR4) from mcmaster: http://www.mcmaster.com/#garolite
I don't think the subie would need the high temp G-7 like you would on a vw head. Of course mcmaster has aluminum bars too that would be cheaper than the garolite, either option you'd have to do the fab work yourself. Plus the two pairs of gaskets. Depends on how much your time is worth. |
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kermatt Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2012 Posts: 105 Location: Lakewood, Co
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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jhoefer wrote: |
Don't know how much you'd need, but you can get some 1/2-3/4" thick garolite sheet (G-XX or G-10/FR4) from mcmaster: http://www.mcmaster.com/#garolite
I don't think the subie would need the high temp G-7 like you would on a vw head. Of course mcmaster has aluminum bars too that would be cheaper than the garolite, either option you'd have to do the fab work yourself. Plus the two pairs of gaskets. Depends on how much your time is worth. |
That link shows all kinds of stuff, but where's the spacer material? Aluminum would be ideal, but I would have to have it surfaced after fab....and grinding aluminum SUX. _________________ 1970 GTV volksrod
Subaru EJ18 swap
Super beetle Z box trans
2.5" Drop
Ghia Rear torsions, short caps, adj spring plates
Front Disc brakes
E brake/turning brake mod
Custom apron w reverse opening hood
Custom Instrument cluster "Box"
Clear coat on bare metal! |
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surfbeetle Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2005 Posts: 401
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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White Trash Renegade wrote: |
This thread is making me want to do a Subi swap in my 68 Bug. |
Here ya go... a suby swap into a 68 bug...
http://www.dunebuggyarchives.com/forum/topic_show.pl?tid=1491
He started out with a rear radiator and eventually ended up it with up front. _________________ 67 Beetle Build Thread
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kermatt Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2012 Posts: 105 Location: Lakewood, Co
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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I just read the entire thread...he ended up putting it in front Because it's a high output ej20t, And because he drives it like a racecar. Just sayin _________________ 1970 GTV volksrod
Subaru EJ18 swap
Super beetle Z box trans
2.5" Drop
Ghia Rear torsions, short caps, adj spring plates
Front Disc brakes
E brake/turning brake mod
Custom apron w reverse opening hood
Custom Instrument cluster "Box"
Clear coat on bare metal! |
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kermatt Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2012 Posts: 105 Location: Lakewood, Co
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:31 am Post subject: |
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Ahem....
Im glad this is complete...need to move foreward.
Next I'll be rebuilding the driver heater channel out of square tubing. I'm sure some of you think im crazy. Pix will prove it. _________________ 1970 GTV volksrod
Subaru EJ18 swap
Super beetle Z box trans
2.5" Drop
Ghia Rear torsions, short caps, adj spring plates
Front Disc brakes
E brake/turning brake mod
Custom apron w reverse opening hood
Custom Instrument cluster "Box"
Clear coat on bare metal!
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surfbeetle Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Looks good. _________________ 67 Beetle Build Thread
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kermatt Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2012 Posts: 105 Location: Lakewood, Co
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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The picture quality is crappy, sorry...
Mocking up my gas tank
note the subaru fuel pump housing on the og tank _________________ 1970 GTV volksrod
Subaru EJ18 swap
Super beetle Z box trans
2.5" Drop
Ghia Rear torsions, short caps, adj spring plates
Front Disc brakes
E brake/turning brake mod
Custom apron w reverse opening hood
Custom Instrument cluster "Box"
Clear coat on bare metal! |
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Joel Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2006 Posts: 11099 Location: NSW Australia
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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I bet you've made the purist nazis everywhere cry cutting up an Oval fuel tank.
Love it. |
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66brm Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2010 Posts: 3676 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Joel wrote: |
I bet you've made the purist nazis everywhere cry cutting up an Oval fuel tank.
Love it. |
That style also appeared in Karmann Ghias _________________ Aust. RHD 66 Type 1
Aust. RHD 57 Type 1 Oval
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I am an expert at fitting things in holes, been doing it a long time |
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Joel Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2006 Posts: 11099 Location: NSW Australia
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Awesome, the more valuable it is the better it looks chopped it up |
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kermatt Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2012 Posts: 105 Location: Lakewood, Co
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Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Joel wrote: |
I bet you've made the purist nazis everywhere cry cutting up an Oval fuel tank.
Love it. |
Baahahaha it was free and looked cooler than the stock tank. The Subaru fuel pump housing is the perfect length for the depth of the tank. I need to get access to a Tig so I can put it back together.
Joel -I have a question for you. I want to reverse my intake, I've read some stuff, but what is required to do it? Im asking You because you understand my application. Do i literally just need to situate the ALT out of the way of the TB, reroute ALT wires, and lift the intake slightly to clear the coolant manifold?
And also, im using a stand alone Haltech ECU, so how would I reassign the injector firing order? I keep confusing myself trying to figure this out. _________________ 1970 GTV volksrod
Subaru EJ18 swap
Super beetle Z box trans
2.5" Drop
Ghia Rear torsions, short caps, adj spring plates
Front Disc brakes
E brake/turning brake mod
Custom apron w reverse opening hood
Custom Instrument cluster "Box"
Clear coat on bare metal! |
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Joel Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2006 Posts: 11099 Location: NSW Australia
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Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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You'll have to flip the loom back on it but it will need unwrapping and relocating to reach some of the sensors anyway.
Are you flipping the water manifold to? that creates some problems,
the pipe hits the bellhousing so will need turning and rewelding and it usually hits the rigid line to the fuel rail so you will need to get creative there. |
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kermatt Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2012 Posts: 105 Location: Lakewood, Co
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Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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No, we cut the hose end off of the manifold, capped it, and re welded the hose end to come out the other side. I'll have the part back soon, I let my buddy weld it up, he's good with cast aluminum.
As far as the loom goes, I have an entire loom to work from, plus the ECU wiring, so it should be fine...but I need more info on this for sure. A diagram, a wire to injector list, something...because every time i try to write it down, I confuse myself. I guess if I mark them as I go, I should be able to figure it out. Im only about halfway versed on electrical and injection, give me any carburetor and Im ur guy, TBs and injectors, not so much
I built an under car air flow scoop today...
(when the light sucks, so do my pix) _________________ 1970 GTV volksrod
Subaru EJ18 swap
Super beetle Z box trans
2.5" Drop
Ghia Rear torsions, short caps, adj spring plates
Front Disc brakes
E brake/turning brake mod
Custom apron w reverse opening hood
Custom Instrument cluster "Box"
Clear coat on bare metal! |
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kermatt Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2012 Posts: 105 Location: Lakewood, Co
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Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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This is what the scoop looks like from under the car
This is what a rusty heater channel looks like when you disect the layers
_________________ 1970 GTV volksrod
Subaru EJ18 swap
Super beetle Z box trans
2.5" Drop
Ghia Rear torsions, short caps, adj spring plates
Front Disc brakes
E brake/turning brake mod
Custom apron w reverse opening hood
Custom Instrument cluster "Box"
Clear coat on bare metal! |
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coolrydes Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2004 Posts: 1573 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Here is a subi 6 with 5 speed trans
_________________ Kevin "Coolrydes" Zagar
COOLRYDES So-Cal CUSTOMS
MENDEOLA SUSPENSION
THE HOME OF STYLE AND PERFORMANCE
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kermatt Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Dangit!! Outclassed again!! ^^ LOL _________________ 1970 GTV volksrod
Subaru EJ18 swap
Super beetle Z box trans
2.5" Drop
Ghia Rear torsions, short caps, adj spring plates
Front Disc brakes
E brake/turning brake mod
Custom apron w reverse opening hood
Custom Instrument cluster "Box"
Clear coat on bare metal! |
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kermatt Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:33 am Post subject: |
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coolrydes wrote: |
Here is a subi 6 with 5 speed trans
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I would love to see it with the body on to see how you fit that under the cargo tray... _________________ 1970 GTV volksrod
Subaru EJ18 swap
Super beetle Z box trans
2.5" Drop
Ghia Rear torsions, short caps, adj spring plates
Front Disc brakes
E brake/turning brake mod
Custom apron w reverse opening hood
Custom Instrument cluster "Box"
Clear coat on bare metal! |
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kermatt Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:37 am Post subject: |
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Heater channel delete
_________________ 1970 GTV volksrod
Subaru EJ18 swap
Super beetle Z box trans
2.5" Drop
Ghia Rear torsions, short caps, adj spring plates
Front Disc brakes
E brake/turning brake mod
Custom apron w reverse opening hood
Custom Instrument cluster "Box"
Clear coat on bare metal! |
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Joel Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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coolrydes wrote: |
Here is a subi 6 with 5 speed trans
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Kevin, is your front tranny mount just bolted through the trailing arm pivot boxes?
I've been looking for a front mount setup that bolts in rather than weld in.
Although Todds plate that welds between the forks wouldnt be hard to chop back out again if the need arose
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