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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:34 am    Post subject: 150 hp Daily Driver? Reply with quote

What build would you recommend for about 150 hp?

and when i say daily driver my "commute" is about 10 miles a day and thats the days i drive and do not bum a ride. I would say i put 200 miles a month on my car, and at most 400 miles a month.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2110cc
dpr 82mm crank
90.5 mahles
cb lightwieghts/wiesman/udos
Steve Tims 2/drd L6 or 7's/CB wedgeports @ 44x37's
chromoly pushrods
k8/k10 cam
1.5 deep sump
full flow
48 Drla's/45 Drla's/ 48 IDA/FI?
9.5 to 1
7000.00 parts plus machinework. ( engine only)
150-160+hp.
Or you can go turbo route w/ a 1915. I have no experience on turbos.-Jon

Details that would help: what kind of vehicle, what kind of tranny.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jfats808 wrote:
2110cc
dpr 82mm crank
90.5 mahles
wiesman
Steve Tims 2
chromoly pushrods
k8 cam
1.5 deep sump
full flow
45 Drla's
9.0 to 1

This is what i'd go with.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why stop there? It'd be even better as a 2275...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why stop there? It'd be even better as a 2275...

You sound like Bernie Bergmann... why build a 1776 when you can build a 2332 for a few dollars more?

2110 is a great daily driver. My only concern are the dual springs on the Stage 2 heads, otherwise it would last as long as a stock engine.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why stop there? It'd be even better as a 2275...

You sound like Bernie Bergmann... why build a 1776 when you can build a 2332 for a few dollars more?



A 2332 is much harder to build than a 2275. Only difference between a 2110 and a 2275 is 94mm pistons, and the combo of that engine with good heads, K8 cam, and 44 IDF's is a proven winner. I'm all about bang for the buck.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what going to be the difference between 44 IDF's and 45 DRLA's?

I thought I would be running IDA's on my 2165 (FK8, L6 heads) but I'm thinking I might just use some Italian 44 IDF's that are available.

This is considering that I want a cruiser/ some time DD as opposed to a light-to-light bandit.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

44 IDF's will be plenty for a street 2165.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why the 150hp target?

For as much as you drive, I'd consider just building a lively 1915...most will be a bit shy of 150hp...but you're still talking about a car that has the potential to go low 14-sec quarters.

I drive your typical monthly commute in a week, sometimes a day...with IDA's on a 1775.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TurkTurk wrote:
what going to be the difference between 44 IDF's and 45 DRLA's?

I thought I would be running IDA's on my 2165 (FK8, L6 heads) but I'm thinking I might just use some Italian 44 IDF's that are available.

This is considering that I want a cruiser/ some time DD as opposed to a light-to-light bandit.


44 idf's grow on trees relative to 45 DRLA's, apart from that, they are much of a muchness but the DRLA's would win in a fight.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Vellat wrote:
Why the 150hp target?

For as much as you drive, I'd consider just building a lively 1915...most will be a bit shy of 150hp...but you're still talking about a car that has the potential to go low 14-sec quarters.

I drive your typical monthly commute in a week, sometimes a day...with IDA's on a 1775.


Honestly just think it would be fun... and my bug is two toned purple and white painted it for my Girlfriend cause it was her car then we broke up and i got the bug so i think it would be cool to have a quick little purple v-dub
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TurkTurk wrote:
what going to be the difference between 44 IDF's and 45 DRLA's?.

45 DRLAs are more like 48 IDFs in term of flow. I pulled these CFM numbers from an old thread at STF, which probably got them from an old Hot VWs article I recall:

45 DRLA = 329.3 cfm
44 IDF = 292.3 cfm
40 DRLA = 266.4 cfm
40 IDF = 212.8 cfm
36 DRLA = 205.8 cfm

These were for each carb, so double the figures for a pair. I don't have the numbers for 48 IDF or 48 DRLA.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vwnewb88 wrote:
Chris Vellat wrote:
Why the 150hp target?

For as much as you drive, I'd consider just building a lively 1915...most will be a bit shy of 150hp...but you're still talking about a car that has the potential to go low 14-sec quarters.

I drive your typical monthly commute in a week, sometimes a day...with IDA's on a 1775.


Honestly just think it would be fun...i think it would be cool to have a quick little purple v-dub


A quick little VW has an ~85hp stock-valve 1775...150hp will make you one of the faster cars on the street...keeping up with or being faster than most turbo 4's and healthy 6 cyl cars, to a point.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another option: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2...p;start=40 A little over 150HP, but it's close to what you want.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DarthWeber wrote:
Another option: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2...p;start=40 A little over 150HP, but it's close to what you want.

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are you trying to kill him Darth?

Is this another one of those 'fun thing' threads where someone who has only ever driven a 40 horse bug wants to run 11 seconds against a camaro?

I think the OP should be aware that a muscle car can weigh 2 or 3 times as much as a bug so all HP estimates need to be toned down accordingly.

Personally, I think a nice little 1776 costing a couple of grand, carefully spent, will be more than enough for some 'fun' Chucking 7 or 8K at a motor as a first timer is just plain daft. Remember, 150 HP will not let you go any faster on the road, it'll just get you up there faster
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you looked into going to a Type 4? From a reliability standpoint you can't beat it with a T1 case. Period. From a money standpoint, you can build a 2.0L for the same money w/ Raby's DTM cooling for about the same money. Either way you'll have to upgrade your transmission, so plan on that as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right Marv, didn't even see his handle, vwnewb88. Sometimes I just can't control myself. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Save some money for a transaxle that will handle 150 hp.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

150hp isnt crazy.
i dont understand why everyone acts like its a big deal.
in a true daily driver i wouldnt want anything less than 150.

for that i would use:
82x90.5
fk46
heads that flow 190cfm or so
9:1cr
48mm carbs
1 5/8" header

a tranny that will take that power should have bare minimum: a super diff, 9 tooth mainshaft, hardened 3/4 keyway and coarse tooth 3&4 (welded)

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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150hp isnt crazy.
i dont understand why everyone acts like its a big deal


Yeah,no kidding. I read posts like these and think the same thing. Laughing It seems everybody assumes that a person asking these questions is a uncoordinated non-driving idiot who's never driven anything but a turd slow old Volkswagen. (Which on the other hand could be the case,but how can you tell over the internet?)

150hp in a street bug is probably about a mid 13 sec ride on average? FAR from a rocket these days. A kid in your average modded Evo,WRX,turbo AWD Talon/Eclipse/Laser etc would still pack your lunch out of a stop light. Especially if a the Bug is street trim with the belt on and on standard radial tires.

Having said that,you look and sound cooler going 13's in the VW... Wink
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