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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Macaulay wrote:
Nah don't think they have the rights on using the kiwi on a car emblem.
What I find more worrying is the use of the Okrasa name.


Well, in either case, itīs not like Steve will be manufacturing and selling the cars or parts, so it most likely wonīt upset anybody.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't forget the merchandising! Smile there are t-shirts, hats, bumper stickers, umbrellas (important for the UK marketplace), coffee mugs, etc. You don't want to give that up on the front-end. Specialty beer bottles, whiskey? app store, you name it, on-line gaming, there is no telling what the dorks will come up with! Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mandraks wrote:
the new logo is quite awesome!

while i do prefer the narrower shields, i also like the leaves, which make the shield a little wider.


I agree, the shape of the narrower shield looks really good. I don't know how you can squeeze everything onto it, but if you can it would look great. Maybe you can reduce the size of the wreath while leaving the kiwi the same size. The bird would be in the foreground with the wreath behind it.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't worry too much about trademark rights for a one off car. sure... you might get a letter.. (I seriously doubt it) but if any company had the idea to take you to court over it... they would have to prove damages.

Show me how they have been damaged. you are not selling anything thus they are not being damaged.

Joe may have registered the mark in the USA... but the car is not in the USA. The kiwi... well again... they would have to show damages.

BTW... I am the fellow that re-registered Speedwell (in the USA) after that company went defunct. Ray and Mark got it from Jason who got it from me.

I have trademarked and built many brands and have been in several lawsuits where people were stealing my brand name (simple shoes)

Trademarks are basically just tickets to a fight. Whether you win or lose is up to the court.

nobody in their right mind is going to fight you over something where you are not damaging them. You are not confusing the marketplace because you are not selling anything.

Yes... you are taking a chance... but you take a chance every time you walk out the front door.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emblem number 5, is excellent. It carries a sense of the outstanding craftmanship involved in the build including the Specials race orientated history without neglecting the author's persona. The text size is nicely balanced as is the combination of colour and light.

Well. That's how it appears to my eyes.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

any updates??
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah things have stalled there is alot more information on this english 356 website. So Steve is not updating both forums, new job, 356 race car and it not looking right in the flesh - more details here here

Without getting to Hipster on the whole subject it is not as easy as alot of people think. A good way of describing it is that Artists have to ceate something and that Craftsmen preseve what is created. Alot of designs people base on to many things they like and that creativity is diluted. You end up with the Pontiac Aztec or a Porsche Panamera.
Sometimes you need time and a fresh look at things to put things together.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sambafraser wrote:
Yeah things have stalled there is alot more information on this english 356 website. So Steve is not updating both forums, new job, 356 race car and it not looking right in the flesh - more details here here

Without getting to Hipster on the whole subject it is not as easy as alot of people think. A good way of describing it is that Artists have to ceate something and that Craftsmen preseve what is created. Alot of designs people base on to many things they like and that creativity is diluted. You end up with the Pontiac Aztec or a Porsche Panamera.
Sometimes you need time and a fresh look at things to put things together.


hmm, i see the dilemma, at the same time, i liked the whole idea of a budget for a race car. I would not mind at all if it looked a bit rough in places, simply because of budget constraints....
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hell a lot has happened since I last posted anything on the car. And so it should given it's been over a year. What a crap contributor I've been. Well, to make up for it and to propel things forward, here's an edited version of the events and journey over the past 12 months for the Okrasa Special.

We rolled her out into the sunlight and it looked superb from all angles... except she had no arse. In effect when viewed from directly behind the car looked very anaemic and narrow.

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So we played with the rear to try and widen her to give her hips...
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But really to no good effect.
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in fact it was pretty awful. A designer I'm not...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At about this time (8 months ago) Al popped up: retired automotive designer, who pointed out we were breaking a few basic design rules, and wondered if we would like some help. Too bloody right we would!

So we took a deeeeep breath and cut all the wire off the rear of the car, right back to the b-pillar, and built a wooden buck to try different rear end treatments.

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It was a great way to build a symmetrical model and a basis for making up various treatments. This one gave it wider hips but looked slightly broken backed because the rear hangs down too low:
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So Al suggested a quicker route. Make a 1/5th scale model and then use foam to build up various rear end styles. Writing that is a WHOLE lot simpler than doing it. Bearing in mind BArry (the coach builder) had to take 400 measurements off the car and chassis, each in three dimensions, and then scale each to 20% in order to then replicate it in ply, in sections, much like building up a loaf of bread from each slice, and that gives you some sense of the complexity involved. Fast forward 8 weeks and hey presto, the model is finished, ready for foam alternative rear ends...

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In between I got seduced by a set of original magnesium BRM's, so they'll be going on the car...
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And then it was into model-making mode. For some reason this turned out to be a whole lot easier than I expected. Here's a variety of options...

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err, don't think so...
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Beginning to get closer...
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maybe not!
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Better, but probably too short. Stuff it, let's paint it and see...
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So it's out with the spray filler, primer and paint
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while a couple of tweaks help it along (losing the horizontal rear arch for example)..
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Not bad, probably too short, but it's looking good in other views:
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And most importantly, the rear end is beginning to shape up nicely!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so let's try and get a bit more length into the rear without screwing up the design...
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before it's out with the primer to deal with imperfections and build some flow round the rear window and to even out some of the joins:
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And so it's now bang up to date on where we are. I'll hopefully prime and paint it this week, before it's sent up to Al, who will do a bunch of foam models and no doubt make my efforts look like a three year olds, but hey. I've had an opportunity for the first time ever to get my ideas down in three dimensions, which has been great. Plus I've learnt a ton of stuff about automotive design along the way. I promise it won't be 12 months till the next post.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the update. Great thinking to make a model instead of starting all over on the car itself. I love the work.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking good Steve, I am glad to see some progress Smile

Thanks for the update.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome back Steve...I have to say I've cheated by having the DDK topic bookmarked so I know you haven't been sitting on your hands over the past year. Wink

Looking forward to seeing more. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How did I miss this? Subscribed Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I missed this topic! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me to!

Steve I'm sure you've seen this but i just stumbled apon it

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look at da ass! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

one suggestion, think about continuing the 'vertical' body fold line in front of rear guard down like you got it and turning it horizontally towadrs the front/ along bottom of the door panel, possibly diminishing the fold depth so it dissapears slowly into the door, hope this makes sense... Smile great work so far Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

63ragtop - I had seen this. It's a modern take on the 904 but there are two issues with using it as a comparison, lovely car that it is: firstly the roofline is significantly lower the the Okrasa Special, and secondly it's got flying buttresses (the long bits that run from the rear roof line to the rear bodywork. The former accentuates the rear width and the latter draws the eye into the centreline when viewed from behind - basically you can get away with a lot design-wise with these two design points. Lovely car though.

Olo, if I understand your description it sounds like you're suggesting we replicate the Karmann Ghia design feature which I'm keen to avoid! There's a fine line between taking styling cues from great looking cars and people mistaking it for something it's not. We've trod this tightrope from day one and it's not easy as you obviously want to take inspiration from great looking cars!

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