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fivelugshortaxle
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Yeah, but a good question deserves a good answer.
AND, he might be listening carefully now 
The cheap shims aren't exact. Just get the deck .045-.055
Spacing out the deck is not best idea. Open up the chamber by the plug and exhaust valve, this puts the mixture.....where it will burn quick, instead of trapped in the quench zone!
There is no need to be afraid of Compression, just KNOCK!
Tight deck stops knock. In the range of .060-.090 it can promote knock 
REALLY!
Rimco's spacers are kickass, if you need a spacer over .060" thick then yes, have them make them for you.
I can put a 3or4cc dish in pistons in about 30 minutes.
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I'll upload a pic tonight from work. .055 deck is what I'm trying to get it to. Hmmmm. I'll send the pic and see what you think. Looks like Ive got 4 ways to get to where I need to be. .075 copper....or .040 copper and .035 steel spacer. Dish the pistons or have the chambers worked over again if they can be. Man oh man what a headache ignorance can bring.
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fivelugshortaxle
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I looked and found a of his chambers.
They are cut out too big everywhere EXCEPT where I just advised.
Now THAT is some ironic stuff! yall are hereby awarded the darwin award for team screw up. |
Hahahaha....how many cc's does it look like you can get? Can you tell by the pic? And can I send my heads to ya for some magic?
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Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
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fivelugshortaxle
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Forgot I already had pics of the chambers loaded.
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AA 94mm p&c' s
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Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
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modok
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Could get 2 more, not sure what to do. Quench pads have ended up smaller than they had to be and that's kind of a bummer. But, I've dealt with worse 9retired race heads) and.....it seemed to work ok.
i think you could do it, and I'd rather take a little from the pistons.
My internet is screwy due to thunderstorm.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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I agree, +- .010" DH is not a big deal (as long as all are within .005"). If you do the math you'll see it only changes the CR ~.2, not enough to notice. You can do 10:1 with the 86B, that's a very versatile cam. Eric Allred had it in his 2275 in Vegas, daily driver bug.
I agree the chamber mistake is a very common one. Unshrouding too much kills the flow and air speed.
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| I've got 10:1 on a Web 86B, with .038 deck and all is happy. Knocks on cheap gas so I don't run it. My chambers aren't as wide open as yours, so your results might be different. Only way to know for sure is to run it. One set of spacers will be cheaper than two, just get Rimco to make what you need to land the deck height where you want. As Modok noted, cheap stamped or cut shims can have variations in thickness. I have a pile from scat that are too far out to use |
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fivelugshortaxle
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Frustrating. Easy enough to get shims or gaskets. Or take the pistons and have 3 to 4 cc dish cut. But I had no idea the chambers were that hogged out. What kind of effect will that have on how the motor runs? I may just shekve the whole damn thing for a while. These damn "free" heads have been nothing but a headache. I would love to beat the shit out of RC the serial public jerk off artist right about now. Swiped over a grand from me and started this charade.
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4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
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Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
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Stripped66
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| I would love to beat the shit out of RC the serial public jerk off artist right about now. Swiped over a grand from me and started this charade. |
He seemed like a total wanker from the start. Somebody claiming head "black magic" while having pretty much zero reputation right from the start. I'm sorry you fell for his BS, and ultimately lost money and time in the process.
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| Why not just make a custom set of wires with a Y splice in them. Then you could just run one distributor. |
I don't think electrickery works that way |
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If it were me, I would get some SLR lifters, shove the xr310 cam in there and let it rip. Having built two engines with this cam, I can attest it will haul.
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fivelugshortaxle
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| If it were me, I would get some SLR lifters, shove the xr310 cam in there and let it rip. Having built two engines with this cam, I can attest it will haul. |
I don't want to shelve the udo lifters. Paid too much to not use them. I'm actually thinking about going with the web86c. It likes high cr and would solve my problem. What do you think it would be like in my stock geared 3.88 transaxle? 105 lobe center. That way I still keep a nice, tight deck. You've got the real world experience with a high duration cam....think it would be good with my 1 5/8 exhaust?
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Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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with stock gearing I'd use the 86B, but that's me.
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fivelugshortaxle
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I'm going to use the 86b and have the pistons dished 5cc's. Pisotns are out of the motor anyway...except one...I'll remove it in the morning. From what I think I understand, a dish is not a bad thing. Still have the area around the dish on the piston to keep a nice tight deck.
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2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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jason
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| Better order your Web cam as soon as possible. I ordered mine in January and still waiting. They sent a bad blank the first time. I'd think they would hurry up to replace a bad part but apparently not. |
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fivelugshortaxle
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| Better order your Web cam as soon as possible. I ordered mine in January and still waiting. They sent a bad blank the first time. I'd think they would hurry up to replace a bad part but apparently not. |
Already received it. Its in the short block now. Took a week from the time I ordered it until I received it. You might want to call them up.
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Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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fivelugshortaxle
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I ordered mine from Aircooled .
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2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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jason
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| Me too, I just emailed them again. |
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neil68
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:06 pm Post subject: Web camshafts |
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I would not recommend those lifters with a Web camshaft. Double check with Webcam to be sure.
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fivelugshortaxle
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Web camshafts |
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| I would not recommend those lifters with a Web camshaft. Double check with Webcam to be sure. |
Udo says they're compatiblewith Webcam. Frkm what I've read, people have used web and udos with good results. Maybe the failures are the people who think that with tool steel you can just start the car and go......no break in. A break in is just as much for the cam as it is the lifters. I'll call web tomorrow and see what they say.
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2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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jason
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| Post up what they say. I have some Udos also. The machine shop that double checked that my cam was bad said it was a Scat blank. |
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modok
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| knowing what the cam blank is certainly is more difficult if identifying marks have been removed by stoker clearance. |
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