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yeah, my garage is a terrible spot. hopefully i can use an alignment rack this quarter to set it up properly (along with fix my front end a bit with new ball joints and steering box...then align)
i think i am going to do this adjustment again tonight, same side (driver only, never got to other side) and keep doing one notch per inner/outer till i get the height i want....(as high as i can without damaging anything or hitting, about a 1/2inch higher than stock prolly)
i suspect a bent diagonal arm, but ill get it up to the proper height first.
oh, and i did mark the three moveable parts, and they got lined back up.
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| Make yourself a gauge as I showed on page three of this thread so you don't lose where you are at. It eliminates the need to have a level surface to work on just to set the torsion bar angle, though you would still need a level surface to check and set the camber. |
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so i set the angle it sits at when at rest correct? over the lower stop, so it sits in a relaxed state? or i measure the plate when its loaded up and on the ground?
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Wildthings
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| Stuartzickefoose wrote: |
| so i set the angle it sits at when at rest correct? over the lower stop, so it sits in a relaxed state? or i measure the plate when its loaded up and on the ground? |
When it is over the stop and unloaded, just takes a second to check. |
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Stuartzickefoose
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| so i set the angle it sits at when at rest correct? over the lower stop, so it sits in a relaxed state? or i measure the plate when its loaded up and on the ground? |
When it is over the stop and unloaded, just takes a second to check. |
and whats the angle i need to be looking for? like 27 * or something?
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Wildthings
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| Stuartzickefoose wrote: |
| so i set the angle it sits at when at rest correct? over the lower stop, so it sits in a relaxed state? or i measure the plate when its loaded up and on the ground? |
When it is over the stop and unloaded, just takes a second to check. |
and whats the angle i need to be looking for? like 27 * or something? |
Assuming you have a 26mm diameter torsion bar then the spec is 23° -0'/+50'.
If you have a 28mm bar it is either 20° -0'/+50' or 21° 10' -0'/50'.
Note to get both sides within the 30' of each other you may need to spin one bar 180°. |
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Stuartzickefoose
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ill try to get it. may take a few tries. if i want lift, i need to be a steeper angle, like 24, or 21, depending on what i have, right?
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Wildthings
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| Make up the board and then set it under the frame and behind your torsion bar (unloaded and off the stop). That will give you a good indication of where you are now, then add a degree or so to get the extra height you want. You can easily draw lines for other angles on the board if you so desire. |
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I imagine that raising a bus past the stock amount will result in more strain on the CV joints. Is there any research done to the limit of the CVs, or does anyone have experience in ruining joins from going too high?
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Fastmc25 had his raised up high enough he got a while, so he cropped it a tiny bit. 930 CV joints fix the high angle problem.
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| I imagine that raising a bus past the stock amount will result in more strain on the CV joints. Is there any research done to the limit of the CVs, or does anyone have experience in ruining joins from going too high? |
Thank you for your exquisite intuitive insight and mechanical empathy, yes, raising it annoys the CVs. These cars have amazing rear suspension travel when they are adjusted correctly.
Colin
(and raising it totally *@!%#@)$#*@! the emergency evasive handling . . . )
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| I imagine that raising a bus past the stock amount will result in more strain on the CV joints. Is there any research done to the limit of the CVs, or does anyone have experience in ruining joins from going too high? |
Thank you for your exquisite intuitive insight and mechanical empathy, yes, raising it annoys the CVs. These cars have amazing rear suspension travel when they are adjusted correctly.
Colin
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That's high praise! I was contemplating raising my rear for an upcoming off-road trip, but I saw some factory footage of bays off the production line and was smitten by how awesome they look with just the right amount of sag. (yeah yeah yeah the suspension geometry stuff helped convince me too……) I'm still waaay lower in the rear for now though…
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i definitely noticed right away the handling difference, but i think i like the difference so far. i havent tested it to the limit yet, but have already swerved a few times in city traffic, and it worked out pretty well. as far as offroad, im just hoping my muffler doesnt get destroyed again, so if thats the only thing that works out, im happy with the results.
not to mention i can get my chains on a lot easier...
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Had these installed over the weekend. Adjustable baby!!!
Franklin's VW Werks fabbed them up and Brent Bergman (BBQuick Racing) installed them
Finally no saggy a$$:
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Had these installed over the weekend. Adjustable baby!!!
Franklin's VW Werks fabbed them up and Brent Bergman (BBQuick Racing) installed them
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are those lift plates? 
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| Depending on where you set them up on the torsion bar. They can be. I had these put in exactly the same position then used the screw adjustment to level the bus. You can set the spring plate to a lower setting on torsion bar then use the screw for fine adjusment if needed. Prevents having to remove the spring plate from torsion bar for every adjustment.[/quote] |
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| Depending on where you set them up on the torsion bar. They can be. I had these put in exactly the same position then used the screw adjustment to level the bus. You can set the spring plate to a lower setting on torsion bar then use the screw for fine adjusment if needed. Prevents having to remove the spring plate from torsion bar for every adjustment. |
That bus looks a bit familiar! glad to see the butt got lifted up 
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Had these installed over the weekend. Adjustable baby!!!
Franklin's VW Werks fabbed them up and Brent Bergman (BBQuick Racing) installed them
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Had these installed over the weekend. Adjustable baby!!!
Franklin's VW Werks fabbed them up and Brent Bergman (BBQuick Racing) installed them
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It is cheating a little, but it can come in handy. I just helped a buddy lower his 59 beetle, and no amount of pulling, prying, banging and cursing would get the torsion bars released from the grip of the inner splines. Had to heat the outer end of the torsion bar/spring plate union to red hot them get them off. Adjustable spring plates have been ordered and will be installed next week.
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