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MGBBob80 Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2009 Posts: 130 Location: Bremerton, WA
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2024 4:44 pm Post subject: Won't start when warmed up |
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Greetings all,
I'm in the process of bringing Buddy back to life following 20 months of being off the road. He is still a stock '78. 20 months ago I replaced the EFI wiring harness with one manufactured by Kyle Automotive Specialties. Fast forward to a motorcycle wreck and I've been a bit laid up and just starting to get back to normal.
Anyway, Buddy starts just fine when cold and I've run him around the neighborhood (~4 miles) on a couple of occasions. Problem is that he won't restart when the engine is hot. Turns over nicely, but not even a hint of firing. I've waited upwards of an hour with no success. Let him sit for a day or two and he's ready to go.
I've checked the TS-2 temperature sensor and it appears to be good (resistance corresponded to temperature nicely).
I have both the Bentley manual and the Bosch manual for the L-Jet EFI and I'd sure appreciate some friendly advice on how to proceed figuring this one out. _________________ Cheers,
Bob
1978 Type 2 Transporter. 2L engine (engine code GE), Fuel Injection, 4-speed manual transmission.His name is Buddy.
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51155 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Won't start when warmed up |
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And this has all started after replacing the harness?, do you get the same TS2 Ohm readings at terminal #13 in the big plug for the ECU? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16971 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2024 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Won't start when warmed up |
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When the engine is cold, the thermo time switch sends a shot of gas in for start. When the engine is warm the thermo time switch doesn’t. This makes me think that your engine is running on the lean side and needs that shot of gas from the fifth injector. So, look for vacuum leaks. A smoke test might help _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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Xevin Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2024 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Won't start when warmed up |
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What is your distributor set up? _________________ Keep on Busin'
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airkooledchris Samba Member
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Posted: Yesterday 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Won't start when warmed up |
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Check to see if you swapped the cold start injector plug and the AAR plug on the FI harness.
is that a thing?
maybe your just getting way too much fuel and the cold start injector is firing constantly from the AAR voltage. |
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MGBBob80 Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2009 Posts: 130 Location: Bremerton, WA
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Posted: Yesterday 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Won't start when warmed up |
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Good morning all,
Many thanks for the replies! In the hopes of keeping this thread as short as possible I am including my responses to all of you below:
Busdaddy: I do not know but will check.
Aeromech: Will do, thanks!
Xevin, Distributor is OEM with points and condenser.
Aircooledchris, Will do! _________________ Cheers,
Bob
1978 Type 2 Transporter. 2L engine (engine code GE), Fuel Injection, 4-speed manual transmission.His name is Buddy.
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buckswilde Samba Member
Joined: June 26, 2010 Posts: 132 Location: Lexington, KY
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Posted: Yesterday 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Won't start when warmed up |
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Swap out the condenser and see if that helps. Quick and simple. I've seen it many times with hot start issues. |
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Xevin Samba Member
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Posted: Yesterday 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Won't start when warmed up |
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buckswilde wrote: |
Swap out the condenser and see if that helps. Quick and simple. I've seen it many times with hot start issues. |
That’s where I was going. If no change, you have a back up condenser in the bus. Buy the Napa Echelon condensers or NOS. Just not a new Bosch condenser. _________________ Keep on Busin'
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MGBBob80 Samba Member
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Posted: Yesterday 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Won't start when warmed up |
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Great info on the condensers. I'm currently running Napa Echelon, but easy enough to swap out. Honestly speaking, I've considered swapping over to a Pertronix to eliminate points and condenser, but just haven't been able to take that step quite yet. Bought a MG that I still drive with one and it did fine, but ultimately swapped back to points/condenser. And yes, I do ramble on a bit... _________________ Cheers,
Bob
1978 Type 2 Transporter. 2L engine (engine code GE), Fuel Injection, 4-speed manual transmission.His name is Buddy.
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Today 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Won't start when warmed up |
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After sitting for that long, I would dose the fuel with a goodly amount of FI cleaner for each tank of fuel until the problem goes away. My 91 Vanagon went down with a full load of fuel and then sat for three years before I got it going again, it took about 70 tanks of fuel before the last of the gum from the deteriorating ethanol in the tank was fully cleaned out. A half quart of synthetic oil added to a full tank of fuel will keep the injectors lubricated so they will not stick shut during a hot restart as well. |
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MGBBob80 Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2009 Posts: 130 Location: Bremerton, WA
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Posted: Today 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Won't start when warmed up |
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Wildthings wrote: |
After sitting for that long, I would dose the fuel with a goodly amount of FI cleaner for each tank of fuel until the problem goes away. My 91 Vanagon went down with a full load of fuel and then sat for three years before I got it going again, it took about 70 tanks of fuel before the last of the gum from the deteriorating ethanol in the tank was fully cleaned out. A half quart of synthetic oil added to a full tank of fuel will keep the injectors lubricated so they will not stick shut during a hot restart as well. |
Copy all, thanks! Appreciate the support! _________________ Cheers,
Bob
1978 Type 2 Transporter. 2L engine (engine code GE), Fuel Injection, 4-speed manual transmission.His name is Buddy.
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