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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16922 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Peter,
So what you're saying is that your 1979 bus doesn't have a 6 rib, it has a 3?
You should first try to loosen the gear shifter bolts to the floor and then try sliding the base aft. I believe this might help not hit the parking brake handle.
Also, I installed a 6 rib into a 1968 bus and never experienced any issue with the tranny being to far forward causing a problem with the linkage or shifter. The 091 I installed had an early nose cone (because the forward mounts are different) as well as an early bell housing (because the starters are different). Using the early bell housing made the tranny's entire length a bit shorter and allowed for the use of the stock mustache bar. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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just as an FYI - I had an 091 in a 1600 with dual carbs and a nice cam. Hated it. The tall 4th gearing holds the engine RPM down so every little hill one hits it is downshift into 3rd. You need a 2L motor to make the best of the gearing in a late 091 whereas you need the RPM to get the HP out of a 1600 - 1800. That is my advice. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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babysnakes Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2008 Posts: 7104
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Yes Peter, you have the wrong trans. It will not give your engine it's full potential providing you have a 2.0. The 1700 T-4 ran a 002 and the later 1800 ran a modified 002 (5 rib). With the 002 your top speed will be slower than if you had an 091, you will run out of gear sooner. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51057 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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_________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16922 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Mark,
What are you trying to say? _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
Licensed Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic
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Boeing 727,737-200-300-400,757,767
Airbus A319,320,321
DC9/MD80
BAe146
Fokker F28/F100
VW type 1 1962,63,65,69,72
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babysnakes Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2008 Posts: 7104
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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That 3 rib is HUGE! |
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rustbus Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2009 Posts: 2078 Location: alberta
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 2:12 pm Post subject: 091 trans is exactly 10mm longer |
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I found the 091 trans is exactly 10mm longer.
i compared front shift rods, the later 091 front shift rod is 10mm shorter to accommodate the longer trans.
I simply drilled a new hole 10mm further forward to connect the front rod to the long rear rod section
_________________ May of '72 Deluxe. 2.0L L-Jet CS & 091 trans conversion
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beetlepete Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2009 Posts: 75 Location: Monroe, NY
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Remember its the journey. Breathe out .....
Thanks Everyone. I am not so concerned with HP. I would rather the better gearing with the 091 to make the most of Highway speeds and gas mileage.
That said I guess I'm in the market for a rebuilt, professionally, 091 6-rib. I did a quick search on the samba and found a few in the 500 to 850 price range. But without a history I can't tell how is an old vw factory worker, or who is a 13 year old who fancies themselves an auto mechanic. I live on the East coast, yes I know, but am willing to have one shipped from the West. If I get a used one off the samba, who should I have do the rebuild? ie. will use German parts.
Who or what companies are good and worth a look. Having a warrantee is probably a good idea, yes?
Thanks for your input
Peter _________________ Beetlepete
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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I would rather the better gearing |
"Better gearing" is subjective. I would not want the 091 gearing in anything except a 2.0L again because it was a PITA every single small grade I came to I had to downshift. What I used to fly up I found myself wound out in 3rd and limited to 3rd gear top speed - that or 3rd 4th 3rd 4th 3rd 4th up what used to be 4th all the way. On the other hand you may enjoy that 3rd 4th 3rd 4th 3rd 4th stuff. Get a 2L engine to go with that 091. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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bigbore Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 3296 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Steve I quit trying to convince people of stuff like this awhile ago give them the facts like you did and move on let them find out for them selfs. _________________ where its cold and snowy |
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beetlepete Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2009 Posts: 75 Location: Monroe, NY
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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SGKent wrote: |
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I would rather the better gearing |
"Better gearing" is subjective. I would not want the 091 gearing in anything except a 2.0L again because it was a PITA every single small grade I came to I had to downshift. What I used to fly up I found myself wound out in 3rd and limited to 3rd gear top speed - that or 3rd 4th 3rd 4th 3rd 4th up what used to be 4th all the way. On the other hand you may enjoy that 3rd 4th 3rd 4th 3rd 4th stuff. Get a 2L engine to go with that 091. |
Steve, Yes I know that the constant down/up shifting can be a drag, but I don't drive it everyday, we go camping, sometimes long distance.
More importantly, the bus has the 2L engine so yes I want 091 to push us along.
Peter _________________ Beetlepete
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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i thought about a 091 swap in my single cab. but with a 1600 with unknown miles on it, i changed my mind. you are not going to gain anything with a timid 1600.
a good stroker would be money better spent. or, build a engine to match the hp and tq of a 2L then do the swap. i think if you do it, you will want to kick a puppy.
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VDubTech Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2002 Posts: 9142 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Pete I messaged you about the 6 rib I have in a '75 I just brought home this past weekend. Good tranny, I've driven the Bus it's in. If you plan to come for a visit if you want we could do the swap right here. Sent you a pm already. _________________ First Trip in the RustyBus:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=279077&highlight=
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a measurement of your rod would be extremely useful. |
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nathansnathan Samba Member
Joined: April 14, 2008 Posts: 1671
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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I have been rolling with an early 4th, late R&P for years. This makes for a final gearing taller even than an 091, 3.752 vs 091's 4.064 or the stock 002's 4.413. I am using the 091 nosecone for smoother shifting. \
The motor is just a 1.8, but with 1.7 heads. Almost every bit of the motor has been 'upgraded' though, besides the tiny valves. It has its quirks, and it does feel sluggish like in 1st, compared to stock I am thinking of going back, but having got used to it, it may be hard, all that revving and noise at like 65. |
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baylovr Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2013 Posts: 6 Location: Santa Rosa CA
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:14 am Post subject: |
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hello all...
not to barge in but I'm having problems hoping for help. I have a 74 westy that I want to put a 76 (091) trans into. I bought the 76 engine (2L) and trans out of a wrecked bus and it came with the starter. I have my old 5 rib (slips out of first) and when the two are side by side it is about 1\4" longer. I tried to put it in as is and it wont go into gear. Pulled it back out and took it to local vw shop and still waiting for answers??? Here is my best plan so far... Swap the bell housing because the clutch cable arm seems to sit at a little bit of a different angle (5\8") When i tried this new trans the nut bottomed out and my old one was about middle. I suppose I need to use my old starter? The second part of the plan is to do the idea above, drilling new whole in the shift rod.
Here is my question in short... How do I get a 76 engine with a 76 trans to fit in my 74 bus?
I have been doing a lot of reading and there is a lot of great info here! Cant find this problem answered. Any help would be appreciated! |
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Red Fau Veh Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2012 Posts: 3037 Location: Prescott Az.
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:25 am Post subject: |
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I have a 76 trans and engine, are you sure it is a 2000cc engine? I just looked and discovered mine is a 6 rib but isn't the motor in a 76 a 1800? Anyways I might put the 6 rib into my 68 so I need answers too. _________________ 1971 Deluxe Sunroof Bay 1905 stroker, dual idf40's, 74mm Scat forged crank, engle 110 cam. CB 044 heads, AutoCraft rockers, chromoly push rods
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baylovr Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2013 Posts: 6 Location: Santa Rosa CA
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:54 pm Post subject: to |
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i will check the numbers on the block tomorrow and call the PO for info. does it matter if its not a 2L (Besides the power,cooling issues with a six rib)?
It appears everything is the same externally between a 5 rib and a six rib except the length of the gearbox part, between the nosecone and trans. I assume that cant be swapped. Also the starter mount and the ribs are different of course but they don't add to the length. when i had it installed it seemed to not have enough room to slide the shift rod far enough? |
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bigbore Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2003 Posts: 3296 Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 3:51 am Post subject: |
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It doesn't matter if you have a 2L or not its the clutch is it a 228mm if it is then you will have to run the bell housing that came with the 6 rib and the starter as for fitting the trany it has been covered many times before. _________________ where its cold and snowy |
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baylovr Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2013 Posts: 6 Location: Santa Rosa CA
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 11:10 am Post subject: |
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thanks for the response bigbore but i have another question. First some info...I bought this trans with starter and engine out 76 bus and it came all together and I believe the seller that it all worked. I put the used new stuff in and could not get it to shift right? The engine started up fine but would not go into gear? Note. My clutch cable adjustment was bottomed out on the new set up, before the old wing nut was in the middle.
Any way here is my new plan that i have been told by a 25 year Vw mechanic... Use my old 74 bellhousing with the 74 starter, which means I will need to swap my old flywheel off my 74 engine. Hook all this onto to the 091 six rib and I should be good to go.
Any info would be great! I am starting in on this tomorrow. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 11:16 am Post subject: |
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baylovr wrote: |
thanks for the response bigbore but i have another question. First some info...I bought this trans with starter and engine out 76 bus and it came all together and I believe the seller that it all worked. I put the used new stuff in and could not get it to shift right? The engine started up fine but would not go into gear? Note. My clutch cable adjustment was bottomed out on the new set up, before the old wing nut was in the middle.
Any way here is my new plan that i have been told by a 25 year Vw mechanic... Use my old 74 bellhousing with the 74 starter, which means I will need to swap my old flywheel off my 74 engine. Hook all this onto to the 091 six rib and I should be good to go.
Any info would be great! I am starting in on this tomorrow. |
you'll make it work - just hang in there and keep track of your hours. You'll make it happen even if it takes the rest of your vacation _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin
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