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mickey mouse Samba Member
Joined: December 11, 2022 Posts: 45 Location: california
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 5:37 pm Post subject: What's this part? |
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Hi guys I have a photo here of something with rubber in shreds. i'd like to know what it is, what it does, and how dangerous it is in such a condition!
Cheers!
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Air_Cooled_Nut Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2004 Posts: 3040 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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Ball joint. You need to replace it! In fact, replace ALL of them to be on the safe side. This is not a time to cheap out. _________________ Toby http://www.aircoolednut.com/
Did I mention that I'm an original Darksider?
'72 VW Squareback, 2007cc, GB 5-speed, rag top; '76 VW Riviera Penthouse Sundowner 2.0L; 2015 Audi S5 Cabby w/Stage II APR; '06 Ducati Sport Classic 1000; '14 Ducati Diavel Strada
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3564 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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Call around for a shop that has done this, not a shop that says it can do this. Bus ball joints are not for the inexperienced. |
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mickey mouse Samba Member
Joined: December 11, 2022 Posts: 45 Location: california
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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I have to drive it tomorrow to a place about an hour away. What is likely to happen? And what's the worst case scenario? |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3564 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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mickey mouse wrote: |
I have to drive it tomorrow to a place about an hour away. What is likely to happen? And what's the worst case scenario? |
Very unlikely something bad will happen. |
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mickey mouse Samba Member
Joined: December 11, 2022 Posts: 45 Location: california
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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What about this? I found one of the screws part of the way out, so I tightened it back in, but it has come out again!
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3564 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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Have it towed. If you loose an axle not only do you have to tow it you can cause more damage. |
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mickey mouse Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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What would you say is happening there? There are plenty more screws holding it on. But there is a lot of grease! |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3564 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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Grease on a bolt missing the washer or spreader bar. Clean it and tighten it to the proper torque. |
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my59 Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2003 Posts: 3791 Location: connecting the dots
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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It looks like the bolt above is missing, along with the plate that goes from bolt to bolt, the spreader bar. So the CV is not evenly tightened. The grease is coming out of the CV joint which it should not be. _________________ my59: Well son, my grandfather died before I got to drive it, so does that answer your question?
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mickey mouse Samba Member
Joined: December 11, 2022 Posts: 45 Location: california
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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Do you think it's just a matter of getting the missing spreader- washer things, repacking it with grease and putting it back together? |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3564 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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mickey mouse wrote: |
Do you think it's just a matter of getting the missing spreader- washer things, repacking it with grease and putting it back together? |
Yes, No, Maybe. Only a qualified technician can make that call. Read up if you want to do it yourself. |
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dodger tom Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2013 Posts: 1267 Location: Central Coast, CA, but we're all still Ukrainian
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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i know a good vw mechanic on the central coast. not sure where you are in relation to that. i sent you a pm, but haven’t heard back. _________________ 1978 Champaign Edition 2 Westfalia
Would never find the time to keep up another classic air-cooled. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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The original bolts are very high strength, you want bolts with the triple square heads and not the six point allen heads. You also want to use the Vanagon torque spec of 33 ft*lbs. If you are missing the spreader bars, then you need to come up with them as well. I would certainly want to regrease the CV's as they have dumped a lot of grease at this point. For myself, I would clean and grease all four joints, use triple square bolts with spreaders and torque to 33 ft*lbs. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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The original bolts are very high strength, you want bolts with the triple square heads and not the six point allen heads. You also want to use the Vanagon torque spec of 33 ft*lbs. If you are missing the spreader bars, then you need to come up with them as well. I would certainly want to regrease the CV's as they have dumped a lot of grease at this point. For myself, I would clean and grease all four joints, use triple square bolts with spreaders and torque to 33 ft*lbs.
Do some reading and have a full roll of paper towels available and a lot of rags before tearing into the CV's. |
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mickey mouse Samba Member
Joined: December 11, 2022 Posts: 45 Location: california
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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Thanks guys |
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HarryFD Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2012 Posts: 751 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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Wildthings wrote: |
The original bolts are very high strength, you want bolts with the triple square heads and not the six point allen heads. You also want to use the Vanagon torque spec of 33 ft*lbs. If you are missing the spreader bars, then you need to come up with them as well. I would certainly want to regrease the CV's as they have dumped a lot of grease at this point. For myself, I would clean and grease all four joints, use triple square bolts with spreaders and torque to 33 ft*lbs. |
You need to be sure you use the "moon washers" that bridge two bolt holes (part 28 ) AND the serrated washers (part 29) for each bolt (part 30).
_________________ 1970 Deluxe Sunroof Bay Brilliant Blue/Cloud White
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mickey mouse Samba Member
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HarryFD Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2012 Posts: 751 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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You mean these? Note they also recommend the serrated lock washers.
https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211501357 _________________ 1970 Deluxe Sunroof Bay Brilliant Blue/Cloud White
1973.5 911 Targa
2009 MB C300
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dodger tom Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2013 Posts: 1267 Location: Central Coast, CA, but we're all still Ukrainian
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: What's this part? |
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mickey mouse wrote: |
I can't seem to find those moon washers, or number 28, I mean.
Any idea where to find them? |
i just googled “vw bus 211-501-357” and got a number of sources from air cooled.net to cip1 to heritage.
try that. _________________ 1978 Champaign Edition 2 Westfalia
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