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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hera are some pics off my 58 all original 2 owner car.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a '58 ragtop with vin #153xxxx....body tag and pan match. The speedo is dated 4/57 and there is no body # stamped under the body tag. According to the vin #'s here on theSamba it is still an oval built in April of '57. But it is a square window. I am confused. Anyone have any ideas?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have a '58 ragtop with vin #153xxx....body tag and pan match. The speedo is dated 4/57 and there is no body # stamped under the body tag. According to the vin #'s here on theSamba it is still an oval built in April of '57. But it is a square window. I am confused. Anyone have any ideas?

Interesting....can you post up some pics?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

to go back to the earlier discussion about front sway bars. from the "alkens" thread in the oval forum.

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Finally picked up a front Ghia sway bar so I don't have to bore all those searching for early Ghia parts anymore. It was not what I expected in comparison to s Beetle bar.


In this photo the early Ghia bar is positioned on top of an early 60s Beetle bar. They extend forward the same distance. I expected the Ghia to be tucked in closer to the beam. Here the hoops on the Ghia sway bar are to allow you to still get at the bolts on the beam since the Ghia bar tucks up into the body more. I guess this way you would not see if from looking underneath as easy as a Beetle. The bar does seem to be a smaller diameter but the batteries are out in my calipers.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stale air wrote:
5vert6 wrote:
I have a '58 ragtop with vin #153xxx....body tag and pan match. The speedo is dated 4/57 and there is no body # stamped under the body tag. According to the vin #'s here on theSamba it is still an oval built in April of '57. But it is a square window. I am confused. Anyone have any ideas?

Interesting....can you post up some pics?
After closer inspection, it appears that the vin tag was swapped......bummer.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5vert6 wrote:
stale air wrote:
5vert6 wrote:
I have a '58 ragtop with vin #153xxx....body tag and pan match. The speedo is dated 4/57 and there is no body # stamped under the body tag. According to the vin #'s here on theSamba it is still an oval built in April of '57. But it is a square window. I am confused. Anyone have any ideas?

Interesting....can you post up some pics?
After closer inspection, it appears that the vin tag was swapped......bummer.


…or the window was swapped Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

more silly details:

on rhd cars they changed the pedal arms in dec '58 (chassis 2 214 885) moving the clutch and brake pedal heads 10mm further from the tunnel and the acc pedal 20mm to the right and tilted it inward 5 degrees.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried searching to no avail; when was the nose cone mount changed from part of the chassis to welded to the chassis? I remember it was in 1958 but I can't remember the month or chassis number.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just picked myself up a, (what I believe to be) 1958 diamond green/maybe bronze? bug... Will get to taking some pics of it tomorrow and see what I really have as far as numbers and all that go. Also believe it to be a Canadian standard but stand to be corrected if it is not.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah, that's light bronze! Very cool, I don't think I have ever seen a standard, or it could be a Canadian custom (because it has outside trim?) in L245.

Strip off that 1973 brilliant orange super beetle paint job, and you may be surprised what you find underneath.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty excited about this find. Seems to be really solid.
So I'm trying to figure out if everything on this car is original to the car. I have ordered a b/c but expect to be waiting a while.

Engine number- 1-1094883
Body - 158225
Pan - 1786652
Beam - 1809895

I will upload more pictures tomorrow!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pan - 1786652


Looking at your vin, I would put it being built around January 20th 1958.
When you do get your bc, let me know how close I am. Lol Laughing Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben Dover wrote:
I tried searching to no avail; when was the nose cone mount changed from part of the chassis to welded to the chassis? I remember it was in 1958 but I can't remember the month or chassis number.


1959 and earlier had the cast mount area
1960 one year only mount no cast area
1961 stamped front mount welded to pan
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:16 pm    Post subject: Headliner Reply with quote

I have just picked up an Australian, but German built, 1959 sedan. It's a nice unwelded original car with only a recent external respray, dropped spindles up front and banded wheels on the back. (I plan on changing all of this).

Unfortunately the original headliner is 'cactus' as they say in Australia. I've not seen one like this before but it does look to be original and I would love to be able to find a replacement fabric to match.

Has anyone seen or have a headliner like this;

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it was a long time ago but I think I had a 59 with that headliner. sorry but you might be looking for a while for the correct material, I've been keeping an eye out for the materiel for my 63 which has a more common style of headliner (but still Australian only) for over 10 years. good luck.

being Australian it should be a CKD car. the martin and king assembled cars had a red primer. you can sometimes find CKD stamps on parts. I've seen or seen pics of cream coloured CKD stamps on spring plates, the back of the dash, the back of the horn button, torsion bars plus a few other spots.

another Australian built thing is the seats have the colours reversed, with the seat back and the sides of the base grey and the top/front bits you sit on the colour of the door cards. on the few og aust rear seats I have seen the luggage bars were black not trim colour.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a CKD oval before and just compared my car with an identical Aussie CKD but mine is a fully built German car - the Aussie built cars have Aussie vin plates but mine is Volkswagenwerks GMBH and there is zero red primer. I've applied for the museum certificate today. I'm told there were still German imports into Australia during CKD construction?

That's bad news re the headlining - mine is beyond saving but I love it.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: My 59's back Reply with quote

jack1448 wrote:
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After three months of metal repair and sorting out my car is finally back on the road since I got rear ended.

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what shop did you use for your repairs?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cleaned up the interior on the 58' i picked up recently. There was 3 layers of seat covers on each seat. All the mats are there and in great shape, just need a good scrub down. Also need to try and give the original fabric on the seats a cleaning, see if i can get them to look a little better..
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WOW! ^^^ that is something special.
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