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jay313
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 Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:15 pm Post subject: Pedal assembly help |
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Haynes is not much help to me here. I bought a non-running 70 standard with a new Brazil OEM pedal assembly sitting on the floor. Many questions:
1) How does the brake return spring attach?
2) He left an EMPI roller pedal sitting in there. The hole doesn't seem to line up with the bracket on the assembly. What are my options? Buy a replacement regular pedal? If I make the roller work, where does the pedal return spring fit on it? I'm confused!
3) I don't seem to have the clip that holds the master cylinder pushrod. Any alternatives?
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jay313
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Guess I'm going to have to spring for that. In the meantime, anyone got a lil help for the newbie? |
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chiprodriguez
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:28 am Post subject: Re: Pedal assembly help |
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| jay313 wrote: |
Haynes is not much help to me here. I bought a non-running 70 standard with a new Brazil OEM pedal assembly sitting on the floor. Many questions:
1) How does the brake return spring attach?
2) He left an EMPI roller pedal sitting in there. The hole doesn't seem to line up with the bracket on the assembly. What are my options? Buy a replacement regular pedal? If I make the roller work, where does the pedal return spring fit on it? I'm confused!
3) I don't seem to have the clip that holds the master cylinder pushrod. Any alternatives?
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1) Brake pedal return spring can be a bit tricky. The part that rest on the floor (pan) goes toward the front of the car. The other u shaped end get hooked onto the brake pedal to pull it back (towards the driver).
2) Take that EMPI roller pedal and throw it in the garbage can. Opt for the factory roller/pedal set up.
3) You can get by without the clip, the brake pedal return spring will keep the brake rod captive until you can get the clip.
Hope this helps. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| If its the same brazilian pedal assembly that CIP1 sells, be careful. I bought one and the the little stud that the brake push rod sits on was welded way too high up, so that it actually pointed up on a 35 degree angle instead of straight out like a german one. Played hell with trying to get the push rod on, and it was very crooked when it finally went. I ended up ripping it apart and using the good pieces to rebuild an old german set, much happier... |
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mnussbau
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Pedal assembly help |
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1) How does the brake return spring attach?
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The rounded end attaches to the pin sticking out of the brake pedal, where the pushrod attaches. It curves up and toward the rear of the car. The end with the flat on it goes toward the front of the car, and rests on the floor. Make sure the spring is oriented correctly before bolting the assembly in or you'll be unbolting it again...
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| 3) I don't seem to have the clip that holds the master cylinder pushrod. Any alternatives? |
You can buy them new.
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VHD-N12-3291
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Yeah if you wind up rebuildin a sett Note that the Clutch pedal shaft pinn should be driven out from the back side < mark it .
Usual is a new clutch shaft hook 7 buck's .
Then 1 - 3 pedal assemblies to make a good one .
Make sure you use a Gas pedal spring if you use a OEM Pedal .
Or it will eat throttle cables .
About 1 out 5 I rebuild turn's intoo a night mare with Clutch pedal pinn .
Hole has to line up for the pinn .
Flat hook shaft only on newer style pedal assembly's and look stuff over carefully Even another clutch shaft hook .
Tell you what !
Dont tear nothin up ? Post again if you get intoo trouble with it .
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jay313
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:11 am Post subject: |
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There we go. Thanks much for the replies, guys. The assembly does look like the Brazilian one CIP1 sells, but the pin is perpendicular, so I'm guessing that I'm ok there. Will see when I try to install, I guess.
Think it looks like a good idea to trash the EMPI roller pedal. Not excited about drilling out the hole to make it fit and trying to fit washers to take out the slop. Guess I'm looking at a used gas pedal and a rebuild kit for the springs and stuff.
I thought the brake spring attached like mnussbau said, but it looked to me that the curved end would pop off the pin before returning the brake pedal. Should I pinch that shut with some vice grips?
Thanks for the tip on where to buy the pushrod clip. It looks to me like a normal C clip would do the job, too. Am I wrong?
Finally, while I'm waiting for the pedal to show up in the mail, is it safe to go ahead and install the clutch cable and rest of the assembly, and then put in the gas pedal and accelerator cable when I get it?
I appreciate you guys. |
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mnussbau
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:54 am Post subject: |
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The spring should be U-shaped at the pedal end. That should be enough to keep it from popping off. This is how it should look.
I think the right size c-clip would work fine for the push rod. The "correct" clip is just easier to install.
On installing the cluster...if it's just the flat pedal you're talking about, yes, you can install that later. But if you mean the little pedal lever...this...
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-311-721-509-A
...then you have to install that before putting the cluster in. There's a pin that holds it in, and the pin itself is held in by the tunnel.
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| mnussbau wrote: |
On installing the cluster...if it's just the flat pedal you're talking about, yes, you can install that later. But if you mean the little pedal lever...this...
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-311-721-509-A
...then you have to install that before putting the cluster in. There's a pin that holds it in, and the pin itself is held in by the tunnel. |
mnussbau is right, make sure the pin (#24) goes on from the tunnel side, otherwise it could walk itself out. I just had my assembly out to weld up the clutch hook and put the pin in from the wrong side.  I caught it, but I had to do the installation all over again.
Notice in the pic below the pin is in from the wrong side.
Here is a link on the accelerator hold down spring
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| nice post. |
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jay313
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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You guys rock! Thanks again.
The "u" on my spring is pointing the opposite direction from your example, mnussbau. Odd. Afraid I'd weaken it too much if I twisted it around to face the proper direction, so I'll try pulling it tight with some vice grips when I install. Unless someone has a better idea.
Appreciate the pics, booch, and the tip on facing the pin the proper direction. Wondered why it wasn't a clevis pin, but I see now that the tunnel will hold it in place.
Ordered what I need for the pedal and found a raggedy pedal lever in a box of parts the PO passed on. Looks like it should clean up ok, though.
Think I got it from here. Till next time, that is!  |
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Yupp the Pic's kicked booty !
Very Cool !
In addition to this take screw driver to floor board carefull not too jabb the brake line .
but on the floor is a 13mm bolt goin thru a tabb or pedal stop plate .
Clean it up Dry Vaccum etc
I like too wire brushh the bolt holes and wd-40 clean thread's etc.
Then spott paint it < keep from rustin out etc .
The pedal stop plate is slotted and glued to floor for adjustment etc.
I pry um up clean wire brush and paint scrape body putty off etc.
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jay313
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| Nice tip, candy. Appreciate everyone's effort. |
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ashman40
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Take a close look at how the brake return spring is mounted in the pic booch posted. You can see the "foot" of the spring comes out from under the pedal assembly and sits to the right front of the spring coils. You can't see the U-shaped end but you can see the pin on thd brake pedal where it will need to loop around.
Is your spring installed this way?
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mnussbau
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To hook the U-shaped end over the pin, you'll need some sort of tool. I used a bent piece of coat hanger to pull it up and onto the pin.
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The clip for the pushrod is also available from VW still. Part number is N0123292. It's about 60 cents. This will also save you a shipping charge.
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That's a terrific shot. I never realized the correct way to install that spring until seeing this...now the pedal actually remains in contact with the roller.
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Take a close look at how the brake return spring is mounted in the pic booch posted. You can see the "foot" of the spring comes out from under the pedal assembly and sits to the right front of the spring coils. You can't see the U-shaped end but you can see the pin on thd brake pedal where it will need to loop around.
Is your spring installed this way? |
I'm feeling super lame right now. I just replaced my clutch cable and as I was getting everything put back together I got stuck on this spring. I know the "U" shaped end fits over the brake pedal pin (clevis?) but where does the other end hook on? I can't see anywhere for it to go.
I've looked at my Bentley manual, Haynes manual and the Muir book and I can't figure this out.
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| the other end sits on the floor just to the right of the coils like in the picture. |
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