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borna428 Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2018 Posts: 356 Location: FL
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:19 am Post subject: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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Hello all,
I am planning to buy a 1968 VW Beetle. Alway like to have one and being new to VW, I have a question regarding the engine. The guy is telling me the engine is 1600C, but I think 1968 originally came with 1500C engine.
Is that an issue if the engine is changed? Will that lower the value of the car?
Also, does both 1600C and 1500C use the same transmission? IF not, will that overpower the transmission? Also, will that causes an issue with the registration of the car as antique? How can I check to make sure the transmission fit the engine?
Also since I am new on this, any other tips are appreciated.
Thank you all |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34022 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:43 am Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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Welcome!
The only difference between 1500 and 1600 is the diameter of the piston/cylinder set. Everything else in the drivetrain will fine as-is.
Original 1500 P&C sets are hard to find and expensive, so almost all rebuilt 1500 engines have been enlarged to 1600... what customer doesn't want a little more power, at a lower price?
So no worries. |
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:57 am Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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borna428 wrote: |
Hello all,
I am planning to buy a 1968 VW Beetle. Alway like to have one and being new to VW, I have a question regarding the engine. The guy is telling me the engine is 1600C, but I think 1968 originally came with 1500C engine.
Is that an issue if the engine is changed? Will that lower the value of the car?
Also, does both 1600C and 1500C use the same transmission? IF not, will that overpower the transmission? Also, will that causes an issue with the registration of the car as antique? How can I check to make sure the transmission fit the engine?
Also since I am new on this, any other tips are appreciated.
Thank you all |
Welcome to samba!!
You should check your state laws regarding antique registration, such as do they check engine serial number, and little details like carb type, etc....
The stock engine could have had 1600 piston and cylinders installed or it is a different engine.
Unless the car is represented as some low mile, highly original car, or super accurate restoration, or such, an engine change is not going to hurt the value much if any. In fact a slightly bigger engine may even be more desirable.
In the technical tab section at top right of page, you can cross reference your engine serial number to find what year car it came from.
The transmission is not an issue for handling the power difference.
I run a 1600 DP motor, from 1973, one of the more powerful stock motors, on my 1961 Bug with stock 1961 tranny. My 1961 Bug originally had a wimpy 1200 cc motor. so transmission is a non issue for you.
Again, Welcome to Samba!
BUG ON!
ps post some photos of the car or link the sales ad so we can advise on what is being sold. _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
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borna428 Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2018 Posts: 356 Location: FL
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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Thank you all for replying.
I asked for some pictures and video and planning to see it this weekend.
Here is a brief video of the car. Please let me know what to look for when I go see it. I know is hard to say, but what price is a good price for this car?
https://youtu.be/yU0aDynJyCc |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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If that car is being sold as a 68, it’s not. Vents behind the rear quarter windows indicate a later car. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine |
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borna428 Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2018 Posts: 356 Location: FL
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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Sharp64 wrote: |
If that car is being sold as a 68, it’s not. Vents behind the rear quarter windows indicate a later car. |
That was a very good catch. I just checked and it seems that vent introduced in 1971 and newer models. With that said, I should avoid this car?
The title may not belongs to this car? |
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jwp67 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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Make sure to check the title to the VIN on the pan. That car is at least a 71-73. A 1600 dp would be stock for that. _________________ 21 million of these cars were built,and everyone of them were sold...kinda astounding given how unreliable they are.---johhnypan |
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mukluk Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 7028 Location: Clyde, TX
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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In addition to the crescent vents behind the quarter windows, it appears the windshield wiper switch is column-mounted and not on the dash, making the car at least a '72 model.
With as old as these cars are now, it's fairly safe to say the majority have been modified from original and had parts replaced, making precise dating a challenge at times. Errors on titles regarding the year of the car are also not uncommon, so the most important thing as noted by jwp67 is to ensure the VIN on the title matches the one stamped into the chassis under the rear seat. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13848 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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Well from what I see the front turn signals are not for a 68, the engine does not appear to be stock and the interior is far from stock.
do check the title against the VIN on the pan, inside the trunk behind the spare tire and the one on the drivers side dash. If they are there then have to match, if no match I have to wonder why. Title may be a salvaged title. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
72 type 1
72 Squareback
({59 Euro bug, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69, 73 type ones 68 & 69 type two, 68 Ghia all sold}) |
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borna428 Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2018 Posts: 356 Location: FL
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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Thanks all for the great advice. Glad I found this site.
Now with that said, how much would be a fair price for the car assuming everything is in good condition? |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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This looks like the typical "Old Man Retirement Restoration" that I see a fair amount. Nice looking shiny car that has been probably back yard restored with whatever parts the seller could find and make look new. These seem to be done by old guys doing this as a hobby as a supplement to their income. Often clues are LOTS of painted details like rims, or funky paint jobs, odd interior choices etc. Ill wager a bet there is tons of bondo all over this car. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine |
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viiking Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2013 Posts: 2668 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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As others said not a 68. The 68 also had a finger dimple/cutout at the fuel flap and speedo is not correct. 68 had the "old" looking speedo to 90mph with integrated fuel gauge.
You HAVE to inspect the area behind the C pillar near the crescents for the dreaded death foam issue. These later cars are very susceptible to being full of rust there. Take a magnet with you and feel for the extent of any bondo around the area. If you find any, walk away or expect to pay big dollars to get it repaired and repainted. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34022 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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Do not buy until you have verified the VIN on the paperwork, the tranny tunnel under the back seat, the metal tag in the trunk near the spare, and any others (dash tag, sticker on door jamb).
If it turns out to be fishy, you may lose the car. Enforcement and rules vary by state, but there is no reason for YOU to take this risk. |
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Helfen Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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jwp67 wrote: |
Make sure to check the title to the VIN on the pan. That car is at least a 71-73. A 1600 dp would be stock for that. |
That body was used in the Type 111 up to 1978 in the 1200L. |
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iowegian Samba Curmudgeon
Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 9829 Location: Somewhere between Dubuque and Keokuk
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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Sharp64 wrote: |
This looks like the typical "Old Man Retirement Restoration" that I see a fair amount. Nice looking shiny car that has been probably back yard restored with whatever parts the seller could find and make look new. These seem to be done by old guys doing this as a hobby as a supplement to their income. Often clues are LOTS of painted details like rims, or funky paint jobs, odd interior choices etc. Ill wager a bet there is tons of bondo all over this car. |
Hey, Sonnyboy, yer gonna get old yerself sumday. |
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borna428 Samba Member
Joined: December 18, 2018 Posts: 356 Location: FL
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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so with all that said, what is a good price for this particular yellow car? |
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Cusser Samba Member
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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iowegian wrote: |
Sharp64 wrote: |
This looks like the typical "Old Man Retirement Restoration" that I see a fair amount. Nice looking shiny car that has been probably back yard restored with whatever parts the seller could find and make look new. These seem to be done by old guys doing this as a hobby as a supplement to their income. Often clues are LOTS of painted details like rims, or funky paint jobs, odd interior choices etc. Ill wager a bet there is tons of bondo all over this car. |
Hey, Sonnyboy, yer gonna get old yerself sumday. |
But I won’t be cobbling clunkers together selling them in my backyard for extra income. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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borna428 wrote: |
so with all that said, what is a good price for this particular yellow car? |
Subjective question based on a video clip with zero additional info. Personally I wouldn’t spend anything on it. Too many unknowns.
Also, since this isn’t a 58-67 shouldn’t this be in the late model forum? _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine
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Q-Dog Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C |
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borna428 wrote: |
so with all that said, what is a good price for this particular yellow car? |
It is worth whatever you are willing to pay for it. I personally won't touch a car with crescent vents unless it has original paint and I can inspect it. Plus, that car has too much other unoriginal stuff for me to even consider it. So, to me, that car is nearly worthless. Others will have different requirements and different opinions of worth. _________________ Brian
'69 Dune Buggy
'69 Beetle Convertible
'70 Beetle |
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