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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:19 am    Post subject: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

Hello all,
I am planning to buy a 1968 VW Beetle. Alway like to have one and being new to VW, I have a question regarding the engine. The guy is telling me the engine is 1600C, but I think 1968 originally came with 1500C engine.
Is that an issue if the engine is changed? Will that lower the value of the car?
Also, does both 1600C and 1500C use the same transmission? IF not, will that overpower the transmission? Also, will that causes an issue with the registration of the car as antique? How can I check to make sure the transmission fit the engine?
Also since I am new on this, any other tips are appreciated.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

Welcome!

The only difference between 1500 and 1600 is the diameter of the piston/cylinder set. Everything else in the drivetrain will fine as-is.

Original 1500 P&C sets are hard to find and expensive, so almost all rebuilt 1500 engines have been enlarged to 1600... what customer doesn't want a little more power, at a lower price?

So no worries.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:57 am    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

borna428 wrote:
Hello all,
I am planning to buy a 1968 VW Beetle. Alway like to have one and being new to VW, I have a question regarding the engine. The guy is telling me the engine is 1600C, but I think 1968 originally came with 1500C engine.
Is that an issue if the engine is changed? Will that lower the value of the car?
Also, does both 1600C and 1500C use the same transmission? IF not, will that overpower the transmission? Also, will that causes an issue with the registration of the car as antique? How can I check to make sure the transmission fit the engine?
Also since I am new on this, any other tips are appreciated.
Thank you all


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You should check your state laws regarding antique registration, such as do they check engine serial number, and little details like carb type, etc....

The stock engine could have had 1600 piston and cylinders installed or it is a different engine.
Unless the car is represented as some low mile, highly original car, or super accurate restoration, or such, an engine change is not going to hurt the value much if any. In fact a slightly bigger engine may even be more desirable.

In the technical tab section at top right of page, you can cross reference your engine serial number to find what year car it came from.

The transmission is not an issue for handling the power difference.

I run a 1600 DP motor, from 1973, one of the more powerful stock motors, on my 1961 Bug with stock 1961 tranny. My 1961 Bug originally had a wimpy 1200 cc motor. so transmission is a non issue for you.

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ps post some photos of the car or link the sales ad so we can advise on what is being sold.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

Thank you all for replying.
I asked for some pictures and video and planning to see it this weekend.
Here is a brief video of the car. Please let me know what to look for when I go see it. I know is hard to say, but what price is a good price for this car?

https://youtu.be/yU0aDynJyCc
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

If that car is being sold as a 68, it’s not. Vents behind the rear quarter windows indicate a later car.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:47 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

Sharp64 wrote:
If that car is being sold as a 68, it’s not. Vents behind the rear quarter windows indicate a later car.


That was a very good catch. I just checked and it seems that vent introduced in 1971 and newer models. With that said, I should avoid this car?
The title may not belongs to this car?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:47 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

Make sure to check the title to the VIN on the pan. That car is at least a 71-73. A 1600 dp would be stock for that.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:56 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

In addition to the crescent vents behind the quarter windows, it appears the windshield wiper switch is column-mounted and not on the dash, making the car at least a '72 model.

With as old as these cars are now, it's fairly safe to say the majority have been modified from original and had parts replaced, making precise dating a challenge at times. Errors on titles regarding the year of the car are also not uncommon, so the most important thing as noted by jwp67 is to ensure the VIN on the title matches the one stamped into the chassis under the rear seat.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

Well from what I see the front turn signals are not for a 68, the engine does not appear to be stock and the interior is far from stock.
do check the title against the VIN on the pan, inside the trunk behind the spare tire and the one on the drivers side dash. If they are there then have to match, if no match I have to wonder why. Title may be a salvaged title.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

Thanks all for the great advice. Glad I found this site.
Now with that said, how much would be a fair price for the car assuming everything is in good condition?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:30 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

This looks like the typical "Old Man Retirement Restoration" that I see a fair amount. Nice looking shiny car that has been probably back yard restored with whatever parts the seller could find and make look new. These seem to be done by old guys doing this as a hobby as a supplement to their income. Often clues are LOTS of painted details like rims, or funky paint jobs, odd interior choices etc. Ill wager a bet there is tons of bondo all over this car.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

As others said not a 68. The 68 also had a finger dimple/cutout at the fuel flap and speedo is not correct. 68 had the "old" looking speedo to 90mph with integrated fuel gauge.

You HAVE to inspect the area behind the C pillar near the crescents for the dreaded death foam issue. These later cars are very susceptible to being full of rust there. Take a magnet with you and feel for the extent of any bondo around the area. If you find any, walk away or expect to pay big dollars to get it repaired and repainted.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

Do not buy until you have verified the VIN on the paperwork, the tranny tunnel under the back seat, the metal tag in the trunk near the spare, and any others (dash tag, sticker on door jamb).

If it turns out to be fishy, you may lose the car. Enforcement and rules vary by state, but there is no reason for YOU to take this risk.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:58 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

jwp67 wrote:
Make sure to check the title to the VIN on the pan. That car is at least a 71-73. A 1600 dp would be stock for that.


That body was used in the Type 111 up to 1978 in the 1200L.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

Sharp64 wrote:
This looks like the typical "Old Man Retirement Restoration" that I see a fair amount. Nice looking shiny car that has been probably back yard restored with whatever parts the seller could find and make look new. These seem to be done by old guys doing this as a hobby as a supplement to their income. Often clues are LOTS of painted details like rims, or funky paint jobs, odd interior choices etc. Ill wager a bet there is tons of bondo all over this car.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

so with all that said, what is a good price for this particular yellow car?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

It could be a later body on a 1968 pan, would be classified as a 1968.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

iowegian wrote:
Sharp64 wrote:
This looks like the typical "Old Man Retirement Restoration" that I see a fair amount. Nice looking shiny car that has been probably back yard restored with whatever parts the seller could find and make look new. These seem to be done by old guys doing this as a hobby as a supplement to their income. Often clues are LOTS of painted details like rims, or funky paint jobs, odd interior choices etc. Ill wager a bet there is tons of bondo all over this car.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

borna428 wrote:
so with all that said, what is a good price for this particular yellow car?


Subjective question based on a video clip with zero additional info. Personally I wouldn’t spend anything on it. Too many unknowns.

Also, since this isn’t a 58-67 shouldn’t this be in the late model forum?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: 1968 VW engine 1500C vs 1600C Reply with quote

borna428 wrote:
so with all that said, what is a good price for this particular yellow car?

It is worth whatever you are willing to pay for it. I personally won't touch a car with crescent vents unless it has original paint and I can inspect it. Plus, that car has too much other unoriginal stuff for me to even consider it. So, to me, that car is nearly worthless. Others will have different requirements and different opinions of worth.
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