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mgamike
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1977 Vert.
1600
1/4 mile? Yup, it'll do that.
0-60 mph? Yup, it'll do that too.
Time to do it? who cares, if I wanted a race car, I'd have gotten one. |
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Chris Vellat
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`77 Std
1775, 7.6:1 CR w/semi-hemi heads, stock valves, 44 IDF's
Stock 3.875 trans
1/4 mile - 15.6 @ 84 I think w/o bumpers or seats and an open stinger on a merged 1-5/8", 16.1 in full trim and a single quiet power w/heaterboxes and 1-3/8"
I also daily drove it for a summer with an 11:1 1775 with 39x36 heads and IDA's, in race trim it went as fast as 14.9...and then we stroked it to 1879 and put it into a `67 and after I drove/raced it like that for two seasons/summers (14.2 w/stock gears, 14.0 w/short gears) and then put it in my buddy's `77 Std Beetle and hit a dyno day...made 115hp/119tq at 9.95:1 CR and he continued to drive it for a couple months.
We also built a sweet little 1775 w/big-valve heads for my buddy's `77 while he was away at college, we raced it once and I think we were in the high 15's in full street trim and a passenger...he drove it like that for a couple years, then I put it in my `73 BayWindow for a year (w/IDA's, dyno'd at 93hp and 100tq), and then I put 44 IDF's back onto it and put it into my `71 Baja for a year...until it finally broke a SCAT headstud driving home from Portland. |
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Madtat
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1972 & 1/3 Type 1
Combustion
0 - 60 half hour
1/4 mile time - Theres no place I need to get to that fast.
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LeviMan2001
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100% Stock 1974 Super Beetle
0-60=18.5 sec
1/4 mile=22 sec @ 62mph
From this video:
Link
Hopefully my car will be in this thread next summer!
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1964volksman
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| Worn out stock 40 hp with uneven compression and a dying carburetor in my 63: o-60 happens in...never. |
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VWAdam
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I daily drive either a 36hp '59 Beetle or a '63 Bus with a 1600.
I don't know that I want to know 
but I still get there just the same as the fast cars. 
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vw_hank
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Location: Everett WA
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Back in 2008 my friend Jes67 had A new motor in his 67 bug and wonted to go to the track and brake it in. my motor was on its last leg, it had been rebuilt back in 89 so with 20 years on it and A burnt valve it was running on 3 cylinders and very tired, but still A good runner  I went with him fingering if It blows (I live off the next exit from the track) it well be A cheep tow bill my car was doing mid 19's in the 1/4 all day (not bad for A 3 cylinder) but the slowest run I made was the one I had to keep the time slip for,, it was A 20 flat and the best run of the day hard to explain but me and my car were both in sink. I lined up next to A "brand new" 2008 Dodge charger R/T.
Yes I left the roof rack & sun visor on even had the spare tire and tool box in the trunk
I was in the left lane #583. The charger R/T was in the right #586
As you can see I Wiped the R/T in the 1/8 mile!!!
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advinnie
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I know this is an old thread but heres my set up
1600 twin port
stock crank
gene berg 307 cam
1.4 ratio rockers
4 into 1 exhaust manifold
turbo trip exhaust
dual 34 carbs
gearbox from a 1200 beetle
stock heads
0-60 9.88 seconds |
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AlteWagen
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Same car with different engine/trans
1960 Beetle
1914, N/A Stock trans 4.12
R/T: .039
60': 2.038
330: 6.202
1/8: 9.792
MPH: 68.42
1699, N/A Stock trans 4.37
Reaction time: .556
60': 2.387
330': 6.815
1/8 mile: 10.610
MPH: 64.63
1000': 13.919
1/4 mile: 16.810
MPH: 77.01
1585, N/A Stock trans 4.37
reaction: .558
60': 2.35
330:7.090
1/8th:11.213
MPH: 59.17
1000':14.936
1/4:18.235
MPH:67.27
DD, 1850lbs 165s
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camaroboi13
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/\ That's definitely fontana if I've ever seen it... used to have a blast in my PT over there.
It's quite funny how you trapped a faster 1/8 speed with the 1914 than you did in the quarter with the 1600... Goes to show you can atleast see a performance gain on paper! 
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AlteWagen
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advinnie
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| The 1585 would have gone quicker but I kept running the bowls dry on the top end. Still OK for a low compression pig! |
hi when you say I kept running the bowls dry are you saying the carbs ran out of fuel? If so what carbs are you using and what fuel pump and what fuel pressure are you running out?. |
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AlteWagen
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| hi when you say I kept running the bowls dry are you saying the carbs ran out of fuel? If so what carbs are you using and what fuel pump and what fuel pressure are you running out?. |
Yes, out of gas coasting through the finish line. I was running dual 36 DRLA with 30 vent, a carter rotary (CB), 2 psi with a crap empi dial regulator which was the reason there was no gas. As you regulate the pressure down the flow is also reduced. All was fixed with the use of a holley regulator.
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advinnie
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| Only 2 psi fuel pressure that is very low mate no wonder it run dry. Anyway can you tell me what cam, crank, header and exhaust system you was using and if you know it what bhp and torque figures. How did the dual 36 DRLA with 30 vents run on the 1600 engine?. |
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AlteWagen
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| Only 2 psi fuel pressure that is very low mate no wonder it run dry. Anyway can you tell me what cam, crank, header and exhaust system you was using and if you know it what bhp and torque figures. How did the dual 36 DRLA with 30 vents run on the 1600 engine?. |
With that POS regulator if I put it to anything higher than 2 the pressure would bypass the needle valve. With the holley its at 2.75-3 and I never have a problem.
The 36 DRLA are my favorite daily driver street carb. Great throttle response and great mpg. Got 30mpg consistently on both the 1699 and the 1585.
1585
New AS41 mexican block
New 043 mexican heads stock valves with step
Stock cast brazil 69mm crank
Stock cast 85.5 p&c
Engle 100 cam
7:1 compression
009 dist
full weight flywheel
36mm dual dellortos
1.5 inch merged S&S header with Flowmaster Super44
1699
AS41 case
043 heads with hi rev springs stock ports
74mm cw crank
9:1 compression zero cylinder deck
forged 85.5 p&c
stroker I beam rods
engle 110 cam with german lifters
Solid shaft rockers with 1.25 arms
dual weber 44 IDFs 36vents
S&S 1 1/2 merged header with 2 1/2 inch Super44 flowmaster muffler
lightened flywheel
chromoly pushrods
Bosch 019
1915
AS21 case
69mm cw DMS crank
Forged lightened flywheel
Eagle 5.4 H beam ARP 2000 bolts
Engle 100 cam german lifters
Stock 1:1 rockers on solid shafts
7.8:1
AA 501 as cast port/chamber dual springs
Mahle forged 94mm
44 Weber IDF with 34 vents
Als header 1 1/2 merged header with super 44 flowmaster
019 distributor
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Desertbusman
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/\ That's definitely fontana if I've ever seen it... used to have a blast in my PT over there.
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Yea, Fontana was cool. BUt that sure isn't the Fontana as it was in 1960 - 1964 when we almost lived there every weekend. (no bugs )
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notchback
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My '91 Geo Metro pulls a respectable 19.4 second 0-60 time.
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advinnie
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| advinnie wrote: |
| Only 2 psi fuel pressure that is very low mate no wonder it run dry. Anyway can you tell me what cam, crank, header and exhaust system you was using and if you know it what bhp and torque figures. How did the dual 36 DRLA with 30 vents run on the 1600 engine?. |
With that POS regulator if I put it to anything higher than 2 the pressure would bypass the needle valve. With the holley its at 2.75-3 and I never have a problem.
The 36 DRLA are my favorite daily driver street carb. Great throttle response and great mpg. Got 30mpg consistently on both the 1699 and the 1585.
1585
New AS41 mexican block
New 043 mexican heads stock valves with step
Stock cast brazil 69mm crank
Stock cast 85.5 p&c
Engle 100 cam
7:1 compression
009 dist
full weight flywheel
36mm dual dellortos
1.5 inch merged S&S header with Flowmaster Super44
1699
AS41 case
043 heads with hi rev springs stock ports
74mm cw crank
9:1 compression zero cylinder deck
forged 85.5 p&c
stroker I beam rods
engle 110 cam with german lifters
Solid shaft rockers with 1.25 arms
dual weber 44 IDFs 36vents
S&S 1 1/2 merged header with 2 1/2 inch Super44 flowmaster muffler
lightened flywheel
chromoly pushrods
Bosch 019
1915
AS21 case
69mm cw DMS crank
Forged lightened flywheel
Eagle 5.4 H beam ARP 2000 bolts
Engle 100 cam german lifters
Stock 1:1 rockers on solid shafts
7.8:1
AA 501 as cast port/chamber dual springs
Mahle forged 94mm
44 Weber IDF with 34 vents
Als header 1 1/2 merged header with super 44 flowmaster
019 distributor |
Cheers mate your 1585 is almost exactly the same the only difference between them is the carbs dizzy and compression ratio. Did the dual 36 DRLA with 30 vent have a vacuum port of the dizzy? And do you think if I was to upgrade my dual single choke 34 carburetors dual 36 DRLA I would see an improvement on acceleration or should I fit something bigger like dual 40s or even 44s or are these just to big for a 1600? And just one more question if you don't mind how driveable was your 1915cc as a daily? |
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AlteWagen
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| Cheers mate your 1585 is almost exactly the same the only difference between them is the carbs dizzy and compression ratio. Did the dual 36 DRLA with 30 vent have a vacuum port of the dizzy? And do you think if I was to upgrade my dual single choke 34 carburetors dual 36 DRLA I would see an improvement on acceleration or should I fit something bigger like dual 40s or even 44s or are these just to big for a 1600? And just one more question if you don't mind how driveable was your 1915cc as a daily? |
Yes the DRLAs have a vacuum port on the L side carb which I now use a German SVDA 034 distributor with on the 1699.
On that particular 1584 I used it as a test engine as at the time I had a daily 100 mile commute to work. I used ICTs, Solex EIS, 36 DRLA, and 44 IDF for carbs, 009, 010, 019, 034 distributors, 1 3/8 and 1 1/2 headers with a few different mufflers as well as 412 and 436 trans.
The 36 Drlas gave me better overall response, mpg and power than any other carbs. Used with the 034, 1 3/8 header with turbo tuck muffler and 412 trans gave me the the best all around combo. I liked the W100 best with a set of 1.25 rockers which gave me great torque and pulled all the way to 4700 with ease. Cruising on the freeway at 60-65mph was a pleasure and I was always able to pass or get out of trouble with ease.
Dual 40IDFs with 28 vents will probably provide similar results. Forget about the 44 IDFs on the 1585.
As far as the 1915 it is my current daily driver and its a blast! After some more jetting I was able to get 27mpg even with some aggressive driving. I originally built it for my bus (thats why the lower compression and the 100 cam) and used the 36 drlas on it and it was a torque monster. I would easily spin the tires on the bus offroad and I had to be a lot easier on the gas pedal. Unfortunately the 94s ran hot in the bus so into the bug it went. I will be adding a W 120, CB light weight lifters and bumping the compression to 9.5:1 for even more power. Ill update the time slips in a month or so.
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advinnie
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| mate thanks for the reply. I also noticed that I had more torque with the 1 3/8 header but better top end speed with the 1 1/2 header. So it looks like I may get my self some dual 36 DRLA with 30 vents but I still need to find out how much of an improvement they will be over my current carbs (dual single choke empi 34s). Im also building a larger cc motor at the moment but cant decided what to do with it ie do I have it enlarged for 90.5mm or 94mm pistons, what size crank (69mm 78mm or 82mm) what cam engle 100 or engle 110. But the main thing is will the 1200 gearbox be able to take the extra power or will that also need to be changed? But at the end of the day the car must be drivable in town with no sluggish acceleration from idle. Dont know if you have any ideas on this? |
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