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Suesanctuary
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 Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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On Wed., Bob started working on fabbing up some of the wind lace metal trim bits.
Sorry, I do not have a clue as to whether they have proper VW names, so I'll just post pics of the "OE" remains, I mean, "OE" bits and his fabbed up matching aluminum bits.
The long fabbed piece in the middle here, is to replace one or two of the bits (bottom right-piece), it was all that was left. Bob has no idea how long it's supposed to be, or how much of it he's missing.
Bob still has to make a couple replacements for the piece above his fabbed aluminum one in the above pic too. But, again he doesn't know how much of it is missing. He says the upper bit is supposed to have a "C" notch in it, at the leftmost edge of the piece, for sure.
Does any one have any/ all of these wind lace metal trim bits out loose where they can take some photos?
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Did you know:
New York was the first state to require license plates, back in 1901. In those days, you had to make your own. Sears even sold Kits! Massachusetts was the first state to issue them in 1903.
Source: Automobile Magazine, Nov. 2006
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Suesanctuary
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| gregson1 wrote: | Bob,
If you want a NOS one, PM me your address and I'll send it over.
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Ooops!  Sorry Greg, Thank You Very Much! The NOS oil dipstick boot you sent, arrived early last week. Bob was finally able to get it installed yesterday. Thank you!
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Did you know:
New York was the first state to require license plates, back in 1901. In those days, you had to make your own. Sears even sold Kits! Massachusetts was the first state to issue them in 1903.
Source: Automobile Magazine, Nov. 2006
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Suesanctuary
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Bobnotch wrote: | Ok, I've been working on trying to get the door windlace pieces ready to go in. I had mentioned that I was looking for a seal(s) that would work. Here's a pic of the seal in question. I know I've never seen 1 before like it.
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Even checking out Tram's link to JCW has brought no joy, in finding a seal similar to Bob's pic above, so he's still looking...
How Did we manage all this "Investigative" work before the Internet?
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New York was the first state to require license plates, back in 1901. In those days, you had to make your own. Sears even sold Kits! Massachusetts was the first state to issue them in 1903.
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W1K1
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| W1K1 wrote: | | Someone like Steele rubber might have a similar profile, you could e-mail a picture to them and see what they have close. |
I haven't tried them, but I have looked thru an English site called Woolies. They have a pretty good size assortment of seals and profiles, but still nothing that matched (I could glue 2 together and possibly fake it though), but I was looking for something closer to the actual profile, and closer to home (in the USA). I'll have to give them a try, as they seem to have a decent assortment of seals (I've used them for GM products in the past). Aveco is another company I might try too (used them in the past as well).
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I looked thru the Steele rubber catalog, and it looks like they offer the same stuff that Woolies offers. The JCW catalog isn't much help either. I'm probably going to have to glue something to the windlace though. But until I can do that, I need to find out what I'm missing out of the strips I do have.
Can anybody tell me what I'm still missing out of these? I know I'm not much help, but this was all that survived the rust.
In the mean time, I've been doing a couple of smaller jobs that still need to be done, like installing the coat hooks, the upper and lower rear seat hooks and the rubber strap. Got the seat belts in too. I'm mainly trying to knock out a bunch of little things that I've kinda been putting off, but still needed to get done.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here; http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240540 -tear down
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Well, since I was able to get some trim clips from ISP, I figured it would be a good time to install the lower trim I had laying around for it (it's a t-3 piece, but it still works). Here's a couple of pics of them installed (thought Sue would have posted them already).
Also, I have another question. Do you think I could use this dome light?
I believe it's out of an older bug (hence the screw terminals). I'm just asking, because I don't have all of the pieces for the original one. Yes, I do know that it's kind of squared off on the corners, versus being rounded/more pointed like the original is supposed to be. Right now, I don't have any light in there at all, but I do have this light. What's the thought?
On another note, Thursday I'm going to to get it legal. I'm going to use my old Notch plate on it (it's current, and the car is sold off and gone to it's new home). Got my proof of insurance here, title, and a plate, so I'm all set. Just need to pay my fee. 
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here; http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240540 -tear down
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120 |
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Bobnotch wrote: | | On another note, Thursday I'm going to to get it legal. I'm going to use my old Notch plate on it (it's current, and the car is sold off and gone to it's new home). Got my proof of insurance here, title, and a plate, so I'm all set. Just need to pay my fee. |
What, you don't think the DMV or Highway Patrol will know the difference between a T31 and a T34? They probably don't, actually. To them, it's just an old VW...
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| Tram wrote: | | Eh? 7.5 degrees total advance at 3000RPM? That won't even pull a sausage off a dinner plate. |
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| Woreign wrote: | | Bobnotch wrote: | | On another note, Thursday I'm going to to get it legal. I'm going to use my old Notch plate on it (it's current, and the car is sold off and gone to it's new home). Got my proof of insurance here, title, and a plate, so I'm all set. Just need to pay my fee. |
What, you don't think the DMV or Highway Patrol will know the difference between a T31 and a T34? They probably don't, actually. To them, it's just an old VW... |
Well it cost me 8 bucks to make it legal. It's done, and road ready.
Now IF I could just get some pics of the metal pieces that I posted above, I could finsh up the interior.  So far the closest I've got, was a guy in Germany offering to send me the pieces, but I just need a pic.
Also could use a decision on the light I posted above. Does anyone here think it'll work? Or do I just cut the headliner and find out?
I've got a week and a day before our "semi-local"(about 70 miles 1 way) Vintage VW show, and the car is going to it. 
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here; http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240540 -tear down
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| Bobnotch wrote: | | What, you don't think the DMV or Highway Patrol will know the difference between a T31 and a T34? They probably don't, actually. To them, it's just an old VW... |
Well it cost me 8 bucks to make it legal. It's done, and road ready.
Now IF I could just get some pics of the metal pieces that I posted above, I could finsh up the interior. So far the closest I've got, was a guy in Germany offering to send me the pieces, but I just need a pic.
Also could use a decision on the light I posted above. Does anyone here think it'll work? Or do I just cut the headliner and find out?
I've got a week and a day before our "semi-local"(about 70 miles 1 way) Vintage VW show, and the car is going to it. [/quote]
Bob... what are those pieces... I could try and get a shot of mine... but the interior is put together.
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Bobnotch
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| Mase wrote: |
Bob... what are those pieces... I could try and get a shot of mine... but the interior is put together.
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They hold the windlace in postion at the front and rear of the door opening. If you already have all of your carpet in place, you won't see them at all (they go under it in front, and under the rear panels in the rear, along with under the carpet edge at the rear). I'm not too worried about having to remove the lower rear pieces on my own car, as I know they'll come out without too much trouble. I also haven't glued the front carpet pieces in yet, as I think I still need a couple of pieces of tin up front (that I don't have due to rust). I was kind of hoping 1 of the guys that just disassembled their t-34 might be able to shoot a couple of pics of their pieces. 
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here; http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240540 -tear down
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
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| Bobnotch wrote: | | Mase wrote: |
Bob... what are those pieces... I could try and get a shot of mine... but the interior is put together.
Best regards, |
They hold the windlace in postion at the front and rear of the door opening. If you already have all of your carpet in place, you won't see them at all (they go under it in front, and under the rear panels in the rear, along with under the carpet edge at the rear). I'm not too worried about having to remove the lower rear pieces on my own car, as I know they'll come out without too much trouble. I also haven't glued the front carpet pieces in yet, as I think I still need a couple of pieces of tin up front (that I don't have due to rust). I was kind of hoping 1 of the guys that just disassembled their t-34 might be able to shoot a couple of pics of their pieces. |
My car's windlace is still in place, but the carpet isn't. I'll see if I can get some photos today. Don't know if '62 is different from '64. 
I'm not sure if that dome light will work, but there's a nice $35 reproduction of the original available. The same light was used in some 356s.
http://www.stoddard.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=18668
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 9:59 am Post subject: Had some time for the T-34 today |
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The parts book lists the vertical pieces as 'fixing strips'. I call them windlacing tack strips...whatever...the long strip has a Type 14 part number, so I have to wonder if all of the strips pictured below are Type 14 parts?
The other two short length fixing strips in Bob's photo unfamiliar to me and were in neither of the two '64s or '66 I tore down. |
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| Bobnotch wrote: | Also could use a decision on the light I posted above. Does anyone here think it'll work? Or do I just cut the headliner and find out?
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Is the rest of the car screw terminals? I would have guessed not.
BTW, regarding the oil filler pipe boot, there were 2 versions: Early, up thru about 69 were in 2 pieces, 1 small "grommet" and 1 flexible boot. The late style started in about '70 and combined the 2 parts into one.
I think I can find a good used early pair if you're interested. Should also have the correct clamps for the ends, too. |
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t3kg
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Here's how the windlace was installed in my 1962 Type 34. They've never been removed, so this is the way Karmann did it in '62.
Hinge pillar retainers are 11-13/16 long and are painted gray.
The rusty thing next to the windlace is the J-shaped retainer at the rear seat base.
Apparently the upper lock pillar retainers were introduced later in production, because there's no evidence that they had ever been installed here.
That's all there is, or at least all that's visible. Hope this helps.
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Sorry Bob mine are mostly rusted away like yours  |
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Thank You Scott and Greg. Those are the pics I was looking for (spent some time on Jurgen's blog, Paul's site, and Andy's blog looking for some shots).  It looks like I actually have what I need, so now I can get that finished up. Scot, I really appreciate your pics, as they show where the long pieces went. I think the smaller pieces with the 1/2 circle cut out went in the rear upper portion, where your car just used tacking nails.
John, don't worry about it, as the pics that were posted above will be able to help you out when you get to that point. That's kind of what this thread was started for, to help others.
Jim, I don't need a dipstick boot, as Greg sent me one out of his stash.
No, the rest of the car is spade terminals, but I've had that light for a while, trying to find a place to use it. 
THANKS again everybody, I knew you guys would come thru. 
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
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The long pieces for the hinge pillars appear to have been designed to be tapped down onto the carpet binding to help hold it in place. That would explain why they were painted gray in the early years. Does anyone know if this is the case? The squareweave for that area of my car is loooooooong gone.
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Hey Bob,
Car looks fantastico! Real nice work, love all the custom metal fabrication 
I wish I was able to see it in person next Sunday but unfortunately the carpet/headliner I ordered quite a few weeks back won't be in until late next week..........and I can't get it all done that fast 
Hope the weather holds out and all goes well for you and Sue. I might try to make the "Volks at the Zoo" event in mid June though, you ever been? |
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