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the bus driver
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When my Highroof was delivered from PT, a Portugese BD with a nice roof rack joined the trip and went to NL and sold by K&K ..
I don't think it's one here yet..
I will see if I can dig through my photo albums to get a better pic..
It sits in front of my bus.. I know not the best pic..
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originalo
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| the bus driver wrote: |
When my Highroof was delivered from PT, a Portugese BD with a nice roof rack joined the trip and went to NL and sold by K&K ..
I don't think it's one here yet..
I will see if I can dig through my photo albums to get a better pic..
It sits in front of my bus.. I know not the best pic.. |
A foto of this Portuguese DD + additional rear hatch Barndoor sold by Kieft&Klok can be seen in this thread, scroll down on page 2 of it (post of silkyimpala):
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3...p;start=20
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nezz
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don't have portuguese license plate of this. have any info on that? |
Sorry for the delay, here is the portugese number plate for that bus
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busbarn
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Another one from Portugal:lol:
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pineapple_express
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| I was always under the impression, all Portuguese buses were imported as panel vans and then converted. Hence the upper vents. But looking through this thread there's a few without them?? |
Not all the buses sold in Portugal were converted from panel vans. This practice from the national dealer at the time started somewhere in late 52 or early 53.
My January 52 bus don't have the ventilation louvres. |
So whats the real history on Portugal BD Kombis the windows with the upper vents?! It started out life as panels being sent to Portugal and then "national dealers" converted them to Kombis? Who is these "national dealers"? Volkswagen dealers??? Very curious on the history of them. would you BD owners consider them hacks???!
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j.pickens
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: "Portuguese" Barndoor Kombi |
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| I was always under the impression, all Portuguese buses were imported as panel vans and then converted. Hence the upper vents. But looking through this thread there's a few without them?? |
Not all the buses sold in Portugal were converted from panel vans. This practice from the national dealer at the time started somewhere in late 52 or early 53.
My January 52 bus don't have the ventilation louvres. |
So whats the real history on Portugal BD Kombis the windows with the upper vents?! It started out life as panels being sent to Portugal and then "national dealers" converted them to Kombis? Who is these "national dealers"? Volkswagen dealers??? Very curious on the history of them. would you BD owners consider them hacks???!
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This has been discussed elsewhere, but I believe the story is that in order to get the lowest import tariffs, a certain percentage of the value of the bus had to be of local Portuguese production. So panel buses were imported, and Portuguese labor and parts were used to satisfy the tariff requirements by adding windows, interior seats, etc.
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pineapple_express
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 12:17 am Post subject: Re: "Portuguese" Barndoor Kombi |
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So whats the real history on Portugal BD Kombis the windows with the upper vents?! It started out life as panels being sent to Portugal and then "national dealers" converted them to Kombis? Who is these "national dealers"? Volkswagen dealers??? Very curious on the history of them. would you BD owners consider them hacks???!
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This has been discussed elsewhere, but I believe the story is that in order to get the lowest import tariffs, a certain percentage of the value of the bus had to be of local Portuguese production. So panel buses were imported, and Portuguese labor and parts were used to satisfy the tariff requirements by adding windows, interior seats, etc. |
You think it was a VW dealership or a factory that added the windows? I've seen quite a bit of these Kombis with the upper vents
Would you BD guys consider them hacks?
Thanks j.pickens for the response. I'm really interested on how "Portuguese Kombis" came about
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SplitBusFan
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pineaple_express: the history of vw buses sales - if we can call it this way - is a bit cloudy and unknown. I've digging out information about this on last years but is difficult to get reliable informations.
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| This has been discussed elsewhere, but I believe the story is that in order to get the lowest import tariffs, a certain percentage of the value of the bus had to be of local Portuguese production. So panel buses were imported, and Portuguese labor and parts were used to satisfy the tariff requirements by adding windows, interior seats, etc. |
this is true, specialy starting in january '63 where national laws at the time demanded the cars to be imported in ckd kits, it's the example of mine '65 kombi. of course there were exceptions like ambulances and other special vehicles. but before january '63 there other legal requirments, softer, but also with the focus on including local goods and handwork. cars made under these requirments were considered national or portuguese fabrication products and follwing that they had a bonus on taxes, also one important fact is that non national produtcion cars were limited to be sold on 75 units per year.
these transformations were made by the importer, wich had apropriated workshops to build the ckd kits from the smallest nut and bolt. ckd kits were composed from type 211 buses and then on assembly line in portugal windows were opened and finishment materials added like stated above.
between early '50 and late '62 is the misterious gap, as when sales started in april '50 there were not logistic resources to assembly cars and so vehicles entered in portugal as foreign products, completely finished and ready to turn key. this occured in the first years of course, but I belive with the sales sucess the importer decided (maybe obligated to fulfill costumers demand) to import incomplete vans, finish them localy and so bypass the anual limit of 75 vehicles/year and at the same time get tax discounts that would drive to cheaper final price to the public. I think the transition year is somewhere in late '52 and early '53.
this is my opinion, based on observation on many portuguese buses and the study of old 50's legislation.
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busbarn
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Portuguese kombi from september 1953, not transformed by the importer.
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SplitBusFan
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humm... no vent louvres in load area in september... weird but interesting
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pineapple_express
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My 54 Portuguese BD "Kombi" CKD bus with rear open hatch option
-Da Barndoor Kid
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riccardo
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Portuguese ambulance, I took this pictures about 20 years ago in Lisbon, I also clearly remember a 1953 panel with safaris used by a fisherman at the Porto port.
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vwssvl
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Portuguese Barndoors |
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Going deeper into this topic... Here are the instructions for carrying out this type of panelvan conversions.
I also have 5 NOS windows and metal frames that were used in that years
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