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MConstable
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grimace007
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| looks like it would work fine for a stock or very mild engine, but other than that i think it would restrict the oil pickup too much... |
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vwracerdave
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Just another unnecessary part they sell to make money.
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turboblue
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| vwracerdave wrote: |
| Just another unnecessary part they sell to make money. |
I use one on my turbo engine.
Works great to keep the big chunks out of the oil pump if something fails.
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| looks like it would work fine for a stock or very mild engine, but other than that i think it would restrict the oil pickup too much... |
Not as restrictive as the stock screen, yet better than going bare......... 
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reckedher
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Hello
I use one as well.I used to have a problem with the oil light coming on durring hard cornering so I installed that kit,now no problem.Got mine at sorranos also 
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Chris181
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Hi,
Another feedback about this parts ?...
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miniman82
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Another 2+ year old thread, back from the grave...
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Chris181
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better than new one or not ??
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neil68
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject: suction kit |
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Hi,
Another feedback about this parts ?... |
I use the suction kit because I have a deep sump that negates the stock "bell cover" that normally fits over the stock filter screen. With a suction pipe extension of about three inches, it is useful to have some sort of screen to prevent metal fragments (in case of parts breakage) or loose sump nuts from being sucked into the oil pump.
I have the Bugpack suction kit and it provides a nice screen filter, while not unduly reducing oil flow IMO. It also comes with a nice flat aluminum oil sump plate that doesn't leak 
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Scott Novak
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I bought one of these for the aluminum sump plate.
But the holes are oversize by about 0.030" larger in diameter than the holes in the stock sump plate. Actually I cringe at the sloppy fit. I'm not at all impressed by it, which is probably why it's been sitting in a box for the last 3 years. The counterbores look like they were made too fast and I can see the chatter marks. I haven't checked it for flatness yet, but I would probably sand it on a piece of flat granite before i used it to insure that it was flat.
I also question whether the screen has enough open area so as not to cause a restriction, especially when the oil is cold and thick. Compare the open area of a stock oil screen compared to this one.
I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
A question was also raised in another discussion about how removing the stock screen could affect oil pressure under acceleration and cornering because of the baffling effect that the stock screen is alleged to have. I'm not sure if this is valid or not.
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neil68
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:25 pm Post subject: suction kit |
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I also question whether the screen has enough open area so as not to cause a restriction, especially when the oil is cold and thick. Compare the open area of a stock oil screen compared to this one.
I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
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Oil can only be sucked in to the maximum diameter of the pick-up tube. The suction screen while not umbrella like the stock, does have a larger opening...mine's about 1 1/4" across. Do you think the screen will plug up? Dirty oil could do that perhaps in a poorly maintained engine perhaps, but I've never seen anything on my screen. I use 5W30 synthetic, so cold oil is not an issue...and it gets cold in Canada 
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Chris181
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Thanks all
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A question was also raised in another discussion about how removing the stock screen could affect oil pressure under acceleration and cornering because of the baffling effect that the stock screen is alleged to have. I'm not sure if this is valid or not.
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That's what I'm looking for ...
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Scott Novak
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:33 am Post subject: Re: suction kit |
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| Scott Novak wrote: |
I also question whether the screen has enough open area so as not to cause a restriction, especially when the oil is cold and thick. Compare the open area of a stock oil screen compared to this one.
I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. |
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| Oil can only be sucked in to the maximum diameter of the pick-up tube. The suction screen while not umbrella like the stock, does have a larger opening...mine's about 1 1/4" across. Do you think the screen will plug up? Dirty oil could do that perhaps in a poorly maintained engine perhaps, but I've never seen anything on my screen. I use 5W30 synthetic, so cold oil is not an issue...and it gets cold in Canada |
Screen actually has a lot more resistance than you'd think. Screen has more resistance than a round hole with an equal open area. Also remember that you don't have much pressure differential to force the oil through the screen, so the resistance of a screen on the intake side of the pump can have a significant effect.
I'm in Minnesota and it gets below -30F here. I use Redline 5W30 synthetic. The synthetic lube still gets noticeably thicker when it gets cold.
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junior55
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| vwracerdave wrote: |
| Just another unnecessary part they sell to make money. |
I use one on my turbo engine.
Works great to keep the big chunks out of the oil pump if something fails.
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| looks like it would work fine for a stock or very mild engine, but other than that i think it would restrict the oil pickup too much... |
Not as restrictive as the stock screen, yet better than going bare......... |
OK... but I think that it's more restrictive and here is what I will say:
The screen gauge in the aluminum pick-up extension is roughly the same as the stock screens, The stock screen area is roughly 8 times the area of that little disc....
YOU CAN: modify a "stock screen" by cutting out the bottom and still run the mini-sump and extension (without the mini-screen),
for the best of both worlds. (there is a trick involved to close the slots.)
This however is not to be compared to a secondary sump as far as oil
guarantee, but the extra 1/2" lower will aid in the collection of oil somewhat.
I am running the above modified mini-sump because I have a skid plate
and desire the ground clearance, therefore my reason...
As it is designed from the manufacturer, its shitty.
Modified like I said and it's a helper type thing.
By the way, forget about it if you want it to fit on the "newer style"
pick-up tubes... they are angled, crooked, off-center and deformed ! |
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grimace007
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this thread was 2 and a half years old, lol
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1955ccbug
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:19 am Post subject: Re: suction kit |
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| bug-c wrote: |
Hi,
Another feedback about this parts ?... |
I use the suction kit because I have a deep sump that negates the stock "bell cover" that normally fits over the stock filter screen. With a suction pipe extension of about three inches, it is useful to have some sort of screen to prevent metal fragments (in case of parts breakage) or loose sump nuts from being sucked into the oil pump.
I have the Bugpack suction kit and it provides a nice screen filter, while not unduly reducing oil flow IMO. It also comes with a nice flat aluminum oil sump plate that doesn't leak |
I'm rebuilding my 1955 and am going to be using a 1 1/2 qt sump this time around. Are you saying that I shouldn't run a stock screen on a deep sump? I ran my motor for 5+ years without a screen....I used to loose oil pressure all the time when taking off hard in first. I always thought it was because of the 32mm oil pump (modified for full flow)...now I read that it could have been because of the lack of a screen. |
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miniman82
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:35 am Post subject: Re: suction kit |
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| ...32mm oil pump (modified for full flow).... |
There's no need for something that big, even when racing.
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1955ccbug
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:37 am Post subject: Re: suction kit |
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| ...32mm oil pump (modified for full flow).... |
There's no need for something that big, even when racing. |
I know...its what I had. Any advice on the screen/deep sump? |
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j-dub
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Back from the dead.
My local VW machine shop is recommending this product to me. They are going to braze an extension to my oil pick up tube for a deep sump and this would be a perfect time to set up this suction kit.
I am on the fence about it. It adds restriction to the inlet side but it also would add some protection to a dropped or broken washer.
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grimace007
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4 years of answers already in this thread and you can not draw a conclusion for yourself? 
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