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vdub411
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 Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject: Please Help...Why won't it start? |
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OK I'm stuck and not sure what's going on. I have all the basic wiring complete and tried to turn over the motor. The solenoid spins but the starter drive gear doesn't engage the flywheel. It's a type 1 motor with a 3 rib bus trans and a new type 1 starter. Is this the correct setup? Has anyone else experienced this problem? HELP PLEASE!!!
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TC/TeamEvil
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Jump the solenoid to bypass it and engage the starter directly, make sure that the trans is in neutral. Does it engage the flywheel and crank the engine? If it does the solenoid needs replacing even if the starter is new.
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Dale M.
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| TC/TeamEvil wrote: |
Jump the solenoid to bypass it and engage the starter directly, make sure that the trans is in neutral. Does it engage the flywheel and crank the engine? If it does the solenoid needs replacing even if the starter is new.
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HUH?... Shorting across battery/starter terminals on solenoid does nothing to "engage" starter. It will only "spin" starter.... ... Starter gear is pulled IN by solenoid....
IF starter spins and does not engage flywheel, you either have wrong starter in bus trans (yes there is one bus trans that requires a longer shaft starter).... Or solenoid "linkage" is not pulling starter gear forward to engage flywheel....
Dale
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Green bug Guy
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shmoe2k
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Please Help...Why won't it start? |
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| OK I'm stuck and not sure what's going on. I have all the basic wiring complete and tried to turn over the motor. The solenoid spins but the starter drive gear doesn't engage the flywheel. It's a type 1 motor with a 3 rib bus trans and a new type 1 starter. Is this the correct setup? Has anyone else experienced this problem? HELP PLEASE!!! |
I'd have to agree.. I just had a customers bug in the shop and he brought me his bus trans and starter to do a conversion for him. He brought me the wrong bus starter. we got him the correct one and off he is running.
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vdub411
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Here is a pic of my trans. Do I need a different starter than a type 1? I was going to buy the high torque starter but was told it was overpriced junk, any thoughts on that?
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TC/TeamEvil
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Sorry . . . I wasn't being clear. On the Ghia whenever the "buzzing" noise came from the starter on turning the key, I always had to cross the large bolt with the small spade to get the starter to crank the engine. Maybe this was just a different thing, I figured that it was forcing the solenoid to do it's job by somehow bypassing the normal wiring.
It always worked, anyway.
What year transaxle did you buy? The later buses had a different size flywheel, didn't they? Maybe the starter pocket is in a different position or . . . ?
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XxonValdez
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Here is a pic of my trans. Do I need a different starter than a type 1? I was going to buy the high torque starter but was told it was overpriced junk, any thoughts on that?
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 For sure you need a different starter than a Type 1, that looks like a 3 Rib bus trans to me.
check this thread out:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=143138
"The 002...Aka the 3-rib
*Note: The earlier 3-ribs have no mounting ears on top of the bellhousing, axle flange retainers attached by acorn nuts, and a shorter input shaft (for the T1 engine). There's more info the early models posted below the pic. They have a 5.38 (Also 5.42, but it is pretty rare) R&P ratio." |
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Dale M.
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Measure the distance from the flange (engine/trans mating surface) to the flange the starter mounts up to, if its more than 72mm (+/-) or 2.88 inches you need longer shaft bus starter, if it is 72mm or 2.88 inches it can use type 1 starter and you have other problems with starter..... Also be sure bushing in bell housing is correct one for starter "application"....
Dale
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| YOU need to have the mounting surface machined down for the type 1 starter to work or imi sales one to work ether way! |
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vdub411
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| Dale M. wrote: |
Measure the distance from the flange (engine/trans mating surface) to the flange the starter mounts up to, if its more than 72mm (+/-) or 2.88 inches you need longer shaft bus starter, if it is 72mm or 2.88 inches it can use type 1 starter and you have other problems with starter..... Also be sure bushing in bell housing is correct one for starter "application"....
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Dale this is what I was looking for and thanks everyone else.
Pulled the starter today to measure and inspect everything. Found the ring clip and fitting were not letting the bendix engage the flywheel. So I squeezed the clip and slide the fitting over it, hooked it the the jump box and presto. It worked!!! Put the starter back in, wired up the fuel pump and.........  Had it running for the first time, only about 15 seconds but who's counting.
I'll be posting some pics and videos up on my build page shortly. Thanks again.
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Green bug Guy
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| that is an early 3 rib though isnt it? if thats the case a T1 starter should work fine... starter problems! |
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