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wingnut6999 Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2015 Posts: 28 Location: ohio
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:50 pm Post subject: Trans oil change |
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My 73 sb had been sitting since 85, except for an occasional drive. After several months of tinkering I decided to drive Penny to work. I noticed a bit of a whirring noise that sounds like the transmission. I've decided to drain and change the Trans oil. My question how much should I purchase and anything I need to know. |
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13848 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hello
first obtain the proper tool to remove the fill and drain plug.
second remove the fill plug first
third remove the drain plug
drain it.
let it drain for a good 1/2 hr
install drain plug
The quantity needed is about 2.5 quarts. Basically you fill it until it does not take any more. It will drip out. put the fill plag back in. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
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wingnut6999 Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2015 Posts: 28 Location: ohio
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. I have the tool. didnt know how much or how long to let it drain. |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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What is the proper tool? Is it a upper engine bolt right side with two 17mm jammed together(poor boy choice) or 17mm socket with an extension to clear the frame rail?. Or is it a snap on tool which was specifically designed for this purpose? Should he use 80w90 convention oil or perhaps a nice synthetic ? Inquiring minds want to know. |
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Randy in Maine Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2003 Posts: 34890 Location: The Beach
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
Should he use 80w90 convention oil or perhaps a nice synthetic ? Inquiring minds want to know. |
read thru this for choice of gear lube
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=276529 _________________ Rick
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ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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mondshine Samba Member
Joined: October 27, 2006 Posts: 2769 Location: The World's Motor Capital
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Despite the enema jokes, I do mine like this:
Some neoprene hose and a funnel sure beats those pump bottles.
Draining and filling works better if the oil is a little warm. |
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awreed Samba Member
Joined: January 14, 2010 Posts: 1268 Location: Kirkland, WA
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Here's what the tool looks like:
I've always used the pumps; very easy and you are able to use the exact amount of gear oil with minimal loss to the ground. Just pump a little slower as you near the end, and as soon as it starts dripping out replace the plug.
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31361 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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I have the 17mm allen tool that goes on the ratchet wrench, and I also have a 17mm allen wrench, which I use with a 17mm box on it an inch from the drain and fill plug. Loosen/remove the fill plug FIRST.
I also use a little pump that fits on the Valvoline gear oil bottles, and have a little curved copper tube in the end of the plastic hose of that, so I hook that into the fill hole, and then pump away. Like sex, you'll know when you're done !!!. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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wingnut6999 Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2015 Posts: 28 Location: ohio
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:16 am Post subject: |
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Thanks all for the great info. I'll spray both plugs tonite with deep creep (seafoams penetrating oil) and hope to do the oil change tomorrow evening. Then on to the next problem. Hot engine :l |
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runamoc Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:38 am Post subject: |
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mondshine wrote: |
Despite the enema jokes, I do mine like this:
Some neoprene hose and a funnel sure beats those pump bottles.
Draining and filling works better if the oil is a little warm. |
Beer bong..no wait..douche bag for a fat chick.. |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:43 am Post subject: |
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I like to make sure I have the oil on hand before draining the old oil.
I also like to drain the oil *after* driving the car. Then it's warm, which drains faster and it's stirred up so less stuff is left behind.
Myself, I haven't had a problem undoing the fill plug. YMMV.
You do want to make sure the drain plug is back in before filling the tranny, though, of course.
Gear oil change is part of the 3 year/ 30K miles service. But should I bother at 3 years if I only drove ~3K miles? Used to be gear oil was $12 a gallon. Not saying I want to cheap out on it, but do I want to pour $35 away? _________________ The Obsolete Air-Cooled Documentation Project http://oacdp.org/ |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31361 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Clara wrote: |
Gear oil change is part of the 3 year/ 30K miles service. But should I bother at 3 years if I only drove ~3K miles? |
I'd push out the change interval myself. And I have. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:01 am Post subject: |
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On a street car I use Valvoline Durablend 80W-90 semi-synthetic in the Blue bottle.
When you install the plugs factory torque spec is only 14 Ft/Lb. You can put Teflon tape on the plug if you want. The plug with the magnet goes on the bottom. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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vwracerdave Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Clara wrote: |
Gear oil change is part of the 3 year/ 30K miles service. But should I bother at 3 years if I only drove ~3K miles? Used to be gear oil was $12 a gallon. Not saying I want to cheap out on it, but do I want to pour $35 away? |
I'd change it every 5 years or 30,000 miles. At $7 a qt it's only $21 to change. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK
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Bruce Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Clara wrote: |
Gear oil change is part of the 3 year/ 30K miles service. But should I bother at 3 years if I only drove ~3K miles? |
If you want to change the drain interval, you should first consider your level of manual transmission driving expertise. If you are a gentle driver that moves the shifter slowly and never grinds gears, you can extend the interval.
However, if you seem to have bad luck and hear lots of gear grinding, you need to change it more often to get all those metal particles out of the gearbox. _________________
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kamesama980 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Even if you buy the good $10/qt stuff, it's only needed every few YEARS. I roughhouse my bug (autocross and "spirited" street driving, change the fluids yearly, and still put the good stuff in. Not like it takes 3 gallons like a slushbox.
Not pointing at you in particular since I've seen far worse examples but it's crazy how people nickel and dime maintenance and safety while blowing money on stupid stuff. _________________ -Russell
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Cusser Samba Member
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