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hazetguy
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throttle ring stopper. it's a little rubber plug that fits in that hole on your throttle ring. it keeps the ring from "falling" too far forward and being chewed up by the fan. the ring should be preloaded so there is pressure holding it against that stopper against the fan housing when the engine is cool/thermostat closed.
thermostat closed:
engine warm, thermostat open:
damaged on left, undamaged on right:
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johnshenry 
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Don't think the late 49 and 50 engines used that bump stop. Not seen or listed int eh '50 part manual, and clearly not visible in the '50 service manual. It shows the ring in the closed position, from the right side of the engine, with its outer flange flush up against the fan housing.
I think it was a design improvement that came later.....
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Zwitter
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:10 pm Post subject: Throttle ring on the '49 engine restoration |
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In looking at the two different throttle rings shown I wondered what years they could be from?
The chewed up one is one piece, the strengthing ribs are formed into the ring, the attaching nuts are welded differently. Having the hole for the rubber buffer would lead me to think it's later.
Anyone have an idea of the year? |
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hazetguy
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| johnshenry wrote: |
| Don't think the late 49 and 50 engines used that bump stop. Not seen or listed int eh '50 part manual, and clearly not visible in the '50 service manual. It shows the ring in the closed position, from the right side of the engine, with its outer flange flush up against the fan housing. |
i'm not debating the correctness of the stopper. i just noticed that the ring Nancy put on her engine has the hole for the stopper, it's missing, and if she wants one so her throttle ring can be adjusted and the fan won't chew it up (going inward...outward is another story), i have one for her.
the ring on the left in my pic is the original one off my 3/51 engine, so the rubber stopper must have been implemented before that date.
yes, there are two different throttle rings in the pic. here's a thread i started about them: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=378965
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Suboval
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But i also think this detail started in 1951....
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Yes, I believe you are correct. I added it because I am not happy with how well the filler cover stays pushed into the stand. I didn't want to be driving along and have that thing pop out of the case so I went with the early filler cover and the later spring keeper. I may swap the cover out for the later 25hp one I have since it has the dimple, and use the smaller one for shows.
Thanks for all the comments. I do appreciate the feedback.
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Nancy does your oil filler have the beveled rubber ring? Part #13.
Is the metal tube, the part of the oil filler tube that has the beveled rubber ring on it, out of round or too small of a diameter to allow for a proper interference fit?
I've ran mine for over three years without issue. It has not come loose at all.
Are you going to polish up the bakelite Bosch distributor cap and fuel pump block back to its natural shine? It can easily be done with Eastwood plastic polish compound and a buffing wheel. You just have to be cautious, so that you don't catch an edge and do not wear down the BOSCH name or symbol.
The screws that hold the Bosch distributor cap on are black zinc.
Do you have the brass nuts for the two posts on the TL6/1 star coil? They take a 9 mm wrench.
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nlorntson
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Nancy does your oil filler have the beveled rubber ring? Part #13.
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I have three rings to choose from.
One that looks very much like yours in terms of shape, but it is a pink/orange color with no markings (probably aftermarket)
One that is black and was on the original engine part number 34893 2-6 (but it's harder and flatter)
One that is black with part number 34893 3-19 but shape wise it is more square.
So, I guess the answer is NO  Gotta find one somewhere.
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| Is the metal tube, the part of the oil filler tube that has the beveled rubber ring on it, out of round or too small of a diameter to allow for a proper interference fit? |
The metal part that drops down in the opening is only slightly tight. It looks like I could gently expand the halves of the piece to make the friction fit have more friction.
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| Are you going to polish up the bakelite Bosch distributor cap and fuel pump block back to its natural shine? It can easily be done with Eastwood plastic polish compound and a buffing wheel. You just have to be cautious, so that you don't catch an edge and do not wear down the BOSCH name or symbol. |
I'll take a stab at either polishing or replacing.
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| The screws that hold the Bosch distributor cap on are black zinc. |
There are a few others that need to be black cadmium plated and I'm working on that. Just trying to get a big enough batch to justify firing up the plating equipment.
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| Do you have the brass nuts for the two posts on the TL6/1 star coil? They take a 9 mm wrench. |
I have three of the thin 9mm nuts. Only one appears to be brass, the other two look to be steel. With the brass posts I probably need to source one more bass one to avoid any problems with different metals.
Thanks so much for all the help. I'll post some more pictures once I get a few of these things updated.
As an aside, I was all set to mount this engine on the chassis but realized I'm missing a couple of brake parts so I have to get that corrected and the brakes adjusted before I go for a first spin. At this point, I may be fighting Mother nature and have to wait until Spring. |
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sambaguy
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Congrats to a very nice engine!
Regarding the questions about the thermostat:
Engines between jan 1949 and march 1950 did not have the thermostat controlled cooling.
It was only a net on the intake on the backside of the fan shroud as the industry engines.
During 1948 it was manually controlled.
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Grant Reiling
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...Er, Sweet engine, GIRL! 
That's been long in the making; undoubtedly, the car itself will evoke such attention to detail! 
Do post photos on the momentous day of its completion Nancy!
My compliments. 
Grant
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Rich's 50
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nlorntson
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| Grant Reiling wrote: |
| Rich's 50 wrote: |
| Sweet man.... |
...Er, Sweet engine, GIRL!
That's been long in the making; undoubtedly, the car itself will evoke such attention to detail!
Do post photos on the momentous day of its completion Nancy!
My compliments.
Grant |
Thanks Grant! It's close...
And Rich, those L/R semaphores you helped me with will look awesome. |
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ZwitterND
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Fantastic work Nancy!
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nlorntson
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A month or so ago we completed the bodywork on the car this engine is going into.
Finally, the body is off to the painter to be sprayed with it's original Middle Brown color.
I'm more excited now than I was when I got the car. It's been 10 years since we got it and it was a very complete car, but in really tough shape rust wise.
Waiting the next few weeks for the paint to be done so far seems harder than waiting 10 years for hubby to get it to this point.
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ZwitterND
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I am just as excited for you guys, i know it's going to be one sexy beast!
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Derosse
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| very nice job!!! can't wait to see the result! |
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nlorntson
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Got my speedometer back from Ryan at Orange Empire Speedometer. It started with a very nice face so that helped a lot with the final quality.
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Grant Reiling
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Got my speedometer back from Ryan at Orange Empire Speedometer. It started with a very nice face so that helped a lot with the final quality.
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WOW Nancy  
That is what I call a "Fresh Start"  
Enjoy! and congrats!
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Derosse
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a 65 year old speedometer shining like new again,incredible!!!!
is the date stamp still readable with the new coating on the back? |
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johnshenry
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Did OES re-screen the face Nancy??
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nlorntson
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| Did OES re-screen the face Nancy?? |
Nope. It was that nice to begin with. |
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