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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:59 pm    Post subject: Do I need cooling flaps Reply with quote

I'm not finding much info on the cooling flaps and thermostat for my 1600. Maybe a dumb question. Do I need the cooling flaps under the doghouse and the thermostat?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on if you intend to actually drive it.

Show cars (that are not driven) really don't need anything.

The rest of us need all of that stuff installed correctly.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends if you want your engine to last as long as the engineers designed it to last.

It will run for years but it will wear quicker and take longer to warmup.

If they weren't needed, they would of left them off at the factory.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This year I spent $275 USD and many hours to install back the complete system (genuine VW - NOS parts) in my Sedan. I got parts from Germany, US, Canada and Mexico... I did not spent that time and money for nothing.
You need that stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:23 pm    Post subject: Do I need cooling flaps Reply with quote

Thanks for the replys. I knew it was a dumb question and thanks for making sure I knew. I have trouble finding any refrence to the equipment. I will find them.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah great idea till they fail and close up and over heat your motor. I always take mine off when I have the motor out and have never had a problem.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah great idea till they fail and close up and over heat your motor. .


parrots say this all the time... Poly, I gotta ask ya, how many times have you had an engine overheat due to a failed thermostat? Hell, how many times have you heard of it happening? Stop spreading "urban legends"
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah great idea till they fail and close up and over heat your motor.

Not true when you use the original style thermostat. They fail in the open mode.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
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Yeah great idea till they fail and close up and over heat your motor.

Not true when you use the original style thermostat. They fail in the open mode.


Really they NEVER stick closed? I hope you are right, for his sake.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Really they NEVER stick closed? I hope you are right, for his sake.


it's amazing how folks can be talked into fearing something that rarely, if ever, happens, but they still get into that car and drive down the road disregarding the very real fact that driving a motor vehicls is dangerous...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scrapmetalvw wrote:
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scrapmetalvw wrote:
Yeah great idea till they fail and close up and over heat your motor.

Not true when you use the original style thermostat. They fail in the open mode.


Really they NEVER stick closed? I hope you are right, for his sake.

I bet there was one set of the tens of millions that VW produced that jammed in the closed position. But the OE thermostat fails OPEN. There's also a return spring that by default pulls them open.

My proof is all the stock VWs still on the road that have not cooled their engines. Show me one engine that overheated due to the thermostat failing and closing the flaps.

My proof is the 470,000 miles i've personally driven without a problem. Or the hundreds of other VWs i've worked on that had the flaps and never reported a problem.

Just show me one, that's all I ask.

Oh and just to be clear, i'm talking about the original OE thermostat, not the crappy Mexican one.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
scrapmetalvw wrote:
Glenn wrote:
scrapmetalvw wrote:
Yeah great idea till they fail and close up and over heat your motor.

Not true when you use the original style thermostat. They fail in the open mode.


Really they NEVER stick closed? I hope you are right, for his sake.

I bet there was one set of the tens of millions that VW produced that jammed in the closed position. But the OE thermostat fails OPEN. There's also a return spring that by default pulls them open.

My proof is all the stock VWs still on the road that have not cooled their engines. Show me one engine that overheated due to the thermostat failing and closing the flaps.

My proof is the 470,000 miles i've personally driven without a problem. Or the hundreds of other VWs i've worked on that had the flaps and never reported a problem.

Just show me one, that's all I ask.

Oh and just to be clear, i'm talking about the original OE thermostat, not the crappy Mexican one.


My experiance is, I have never had a problem in all my miles I driven. Never ran the OG Therm. Never had a problem and all my heaters have been great.

Glenn what color are the OG VW ones just so i know what to look for, thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, I've seen a hand full of failures, all open.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note in the picture of this T-3 engine, that the cooling shutters are wide open.
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Here is the thermostat.

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The design worked like it should.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scrapmetalvw wrote:
Glenn what color are the OG VW ones just so i know what to look for, thanks.

Here's a OG thermostat.
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There's plenty of them in the classified.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, there is a specific length bolt that attaches the thermostat to the bracket. Too long a bolt can damage the thermostat. It is about 2/3 the length of a clutch bolt.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BTW, there is a specific length bolt that attaches the thermostat to the bracket. Too long a bolt can damage the thermostat. It is about 2/3 the length of a clutch bolt.

It's M8x15
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that would be about right. I did not take the time to look it up in the parts book.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
Oh and just to be clear, i'm talking about the original OE thermostat, not the crappy Mexican one.


Glenn: Do you mean the "crappy Brazilian one"? from 1973 to 1995 Volkswagen of Mexico installed only thermostats made in Germany, the "new style" thermostats for sale in shops like Cip1 are made in Brazil.
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M8X15 / VW part ETKA No. N 010 238 20
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