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Era Vulgaris Samba Member
Joined: August 22, 2012 Posts: 1662 Location: Raleigh, NC
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:11 am Post subject: |
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I did mine without removing the rod completely, for the same reason that I didn't want to remove the bumper. It can be done.
Now that you mention it though I don't recall exactly what I did about the clip. Maybe someone else can chime in. I'd imagine I probably opened it like you would a key ring, so as not to distort the roundness, and then closed it back with pliers. It's also possible I re-used the old clip, because my old bushing wasn't actually old. The PO simply didn't insert it into the hangar in the tunnel. I know I changed the bushing anyway, but I can't remember about the clip. _________________ Currently own:
66 Karmann Ghia, L390 Gulf Blue, under construction, here: www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=760505&highlight=
99 Mazda MX-5 10AE, Sapphire Blue Mica, 6 speed, LSD
Previously owned:
98 Porsche Boxster, silver, 2.5L -- 67 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1500sp -- 98 BMW Z3, Atlanta Blue Metallic, 2.8L I6 -- 75 Porsche 914, Laguna Blue, 2270cc -- 72 Porsche 914, Signal Orange, 1.7 FI -- 74 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1600dp -- 74 Triumph TR6 with O.D., sapphire blue |
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Brassneck Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2012 Posts: 420 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Era Vulgaris wrote: |
I did mine without removing the rod completely, for the same reason that I didn't want to remove the bumper. It can be done.
Now that you mention it though I don't recall exactly what I did about the clip. Maybe someone else can chime in. I'd imagine I probably opened it like you would a key ring, so as not to distort the roundness, and then closed it back with pliers. It's also possible I re-used the old clip, because my old bushing wasn't actually old. The PO simply didn't insert it into the hangar in the tunnel. I know I changed the bushing anyway, but I can't remember about the clip. |
That's very good to hear. Thanks for the quick reply! |
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Altema Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 2903 Location: Lower Michigan
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Brassneck wrote: |
Era Vulgaris wrote: |
I did mine without removing the rod completely, for the same reason that I didn't want to remove the bumper. It can be done.
Now that you mention it though I don't recall exactly what I did about the clip. Maybe someone else can chime in. I'd imagine I probably opened it like you would a key ring, so as not to distort the roundness, and then closed it back with pliers. It's also possible I re-used the old clip, because my old bushing wasn't actually old. The PO simply didn't insert it into the hangar in the tunnel. I know I changed the bushing anyway, but I can't remember about the clip. |
That's very good to hear. Thanks for the quick reply! |
Just a note; you can open the clip so the ends line up and it will hold itself open fine without bending or distortion. No reason to bend it... |
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Brassneck Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2012 Posts: 420 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Altema wrote: |
Just a note; you can open the clip so the ends line up and it will hold itself open fine without bending or distortion. No reason to bend it... |
Ok, that makes sense...but it still requires putting the clip on the end of the rod and sliding it all the way down, correct? otherwise, as suggested, could it be separated like a key ring and slipped on at the shifter end? Just curious on this....I'll figure it out soon enough but it would be great to get some insight.
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Volfandt Samba Member
Joined: March 15, 2012 Posts: 500 Location: Knox County, East TN
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:36 am Post subject: |
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I did mine last summer and used Pauls (this) thread as a reference and it went smoother than a babys butt (been having to change my grandsons diaper some lately, hense this analogy )
I decided to pull the rod all the way out so I could give it a good inspection & cleaning and on my 72 the large front bumper had to be removed inorder for the rod to clear it.
Not knowing the full history of the car I like to give everything a good going over when I service it.
Removal of the front bumper entailed removal of 4 easy to get at bolts that bolt the bumper to the brackets. Probably only added 1/2 hr to the overall project.
If my memory serves me right, the rod doesn't have to come fully out inorder to replace the bushing and clip. I believe there is enough room to where the tranny end of the rod is exposed in the shifter well with the rod pulled out of the front access hole, through the horn hole and up to the bumper.
I greased the rod alittle where the bushing goes and I also filled the "cup" on the rod where the shifter ball goes w/grease. Replacement of the bushing and rear coupler made a 100% improvement in my 72's shifting, it was well worth this service.
Good luck
Dave _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia, the Dragon slayer.... |
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Altema Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 2903 Location: Lower Michigan
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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Volfandt wrote: |
I decided to pull the rod all the way out so I could give it a good inspection & cleaning and on my 72 the large front bumper had to be removed inorder for the rod to clear it.
Not knowing the full history of the car I like to give everything a good going over when I service it. |
That was the reason I pulled mine all the way out as well. It had been serviced before and I wanted to check everything out... especially since they used pliers instead of wrenches! I get the baby reference... our daughter moved back in and we keep the baby, and her favorite thing is to 'let it all out' when we watch a movie together. I guess that means she's comfortable, but I wind up with a wet leg! |
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Jsg Samba Member
Joined: December 25, 2012 Posts: 45
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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:43 am Post subject: |
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This thread was hugely helpful! replaced my bushing 2 weeks ago. Would never have considered this project until I read/ saw this great step by step thread. Realized it was totally doable and had no issues. I would add that if you can't get the shift rod all the way out due to the bumper alignment you are still fine. It came out far enough to get the old bushing off. I then greased it as I slid it back in. The parts of the rod I couldn't get to from the front I greased as the rod slid through the tunnel between the 2 front seats. Whole thing only took a couple of hours on my 74 vert. |
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Brassneck Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2012 Posts: 420 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Jsg wrote: |
This thread was hugely helpful! replaced my bushing 2 weeks ago. Would never have considered this project until I read/ saw this great step by step thread. Realized it was totally doable and had no issues. I would add that if you can't get the shift rod all the way out due to the bumper alignment you are still fine. It came out far enough to get the old bushing off. I then greased it as I slid it back in. The parts of the rod I couldn't get to from the front I greased as the rod slid through the tunnel between the 2 front seats. Whole thing only took a couple of hours on my 74 vert. |
Thanks, that's what I am hoping for...and that's also why I am so grateful for this forum and the people that contribute to it. This kind of knowledge is priceless!!! |
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hanke Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2011 Posts: 2 Location: milford,ct.
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Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:44 pm Post subject: shiter rod bushing replacment |
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simply genius that idea with the clip thanks for the help i will spread my clip tomorrow jim |
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Brassneck Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2012 Posts: 420 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, replaced the bushing yesterday...went pretty smooth. Thanks for everyone's help. I didn't need to pull the rod completely out as was stated...but enough to clear the bracket...then I simply put the bushing with the clip into the bracket...and pushed the rod through it...super easy. then All I had to do was pull the rod back through.
It works great...awesome shifting now that there's no slop. |
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daven Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2009 Posts: 351 Location: Dayton OH
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:24 am Post subject: Spring on the shift tube |
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Hi All,
I am converting a 69 Ghia coupe from an auto to a 4 speed. I went out to a parts car and got a correct length shift tube and noticed that the tube had a spring that went over the tube (not the shifter spring and not the locking ring on the bushing). The spring was approx. 6 inches long and 3/4 inch in diameter (guessing from the view I got through the shifter hole). When I removed the tube from the car the spring had fallen out into the tunnel and considering the weather - I thought I could always get one from another VW. Well I have already discovered that a bug does not use this spring (Ghia only?) and I am having difficulty in locating another spring. Any advice or has anyone discovered this spring already (and maybe send me one???
Thanks,
Dave? |
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Volfandt Samba Member
Joined: March 15, 2012 Posts: 500 Location: Knox County, East TN
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:42 am Post subject: |
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Dave, there wasn't any spring on my 72's shift rod and it shifts great. _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia, the Dragon slayer.... |
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ccihon Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2012 Posts: 227 Location: Columbus, OH
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Dave - I'm in Columbus and have a complete shifter (i think!) and spring for the car if you need it. PM me.
Correction sorry - my car had no such spring - I do have a stock shifter and that spring, however |
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Brassneck Samba Member
Joined: November 17, 2012 Posts: 420 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Spring on the shift tube |
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daven wrote: |
Hi All,
I am converting a 69 Ghia coupe from an auto to a 4 speed. I went out to a parts car and got a correct length shift tube and noticed that the tube had a spring that went over the tube (not the shifter spring and not the locking ring on the bushing). The spring was approx. 6 inches long and 3/4 inch in diameter (guessing from the view I got through the shifter hole). When I removed the tube from the car the spring had fallen out into the tunnel and considering the weather - I thought I could always get one from another VW. Well I have already discovered that a bug does not use this spring (Ghia only?) and I am having difficulty in locating another spring. Any advice or has anyone discovered this spring already (and maybe send me one???
Thanks,
Dave? |
I didn't find a spring anywhere on my shift rod. I'm wondering if the spring you found had either fallen into the tunnel from something else done back in the day or perhaps there is a spring on the e-brake? (I can't recall if the ebrake has one off-hand though) Or maybe the previous owner of the parts car you pulled it from put a spring on between the shift "cup" and the bushing/hanger to help spring back the rod? Although not sure that would help in any way or even be possible if it was 6 inches long. Either way, you shouldn't need a spring on there. |
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Diniecita Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2013 Posts: 9 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 11:26 am Post subject: wont go in gear |
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I'm trying to figure out if this is what I need to do becuse my ghia runs, but will not go in gear. It feels like it almost slides to the spot to go into gear, but doesn't click into the gear. Do I need to replace all of this? It has been sitting for 6 months or so while we worked on the engine. Thank you
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Ian Godfrey Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2006 Posts: 1135 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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This may or may not the the reason it won't go in gear, if you have been doing engine work, the first place I'd look is clutch adjustment.
but I suggest you take out the shifter (mark where it sits on the tunnel) and using a torch, have a look at the condition of this bush in the tunnel. its just behind the shifter hole. |
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mapitfirst1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2011 Posts: 50 Location: Alberta
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Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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My stick shift was rattling on my 72 square so I followed the procedure as described. All went smooth (awesome write up, especially for a nube like me). In fact the old bushing was still in good shape. I still get a good rattle at higher rpm's. It horrifically annoying at high speeds. (if 65 is considered high speed).
Any ideas what I should look for next? |
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Altema Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 2903 Location: Lower Michigan
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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mapitfirst wrote: |
My stick shift was rattling on my 72 square so I followed the procedure as described. All went smooth (awesome write up, especially for a nube like me). In fact the old bushing was still in good shape. I still get a good rattle at higher rpm's. It horrifically annoying at high speeds. (if 65 is considered high speed).
Any ideas what I should look for next? |
Make sure the cup that the ball of the lever goes into is packed with grease, and double check your shifter adjustment to make sure it's not holding the shift fork in the transmission against the gears. You should have a little front-to-back free play in each gear. If it is tight when in gear, then the adjustment may be off. The more experienced trans guys will probably chime in with more info...
Paul |
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Moogs Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2013 Posts: 156
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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This write up is a gold mine and perfect for this weekend's project. Thank you for this. _________________ '66 White Karmann Ghia Coupe |
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kevin3406 Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2010 Posts: 296 Location: pacolet, s.c.
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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so what part of all this is the "cheat" part? you guys went the long way. i can change mine in like 5 minutes without removing anything but the shifter. _________________ [insert various aircooled vehicles here] if the women dont find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.- Red Green |
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