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butlern Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2013 Posts: 81 Location: Iowa City, Iowa
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:03 am Post subject: Going rate these days (in your area) on powder coating tins? |
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I just got a quote yesterday for $450 to strip and powder coat my engine tins (all parts).
This seems crazy expensive. But it might just be me... and this is the only place in my area, I have been told (but I'm digging deeper and widening my search). And my car is not a show car.
If that truly is the current "going rate," then it's too expensive for me to justify and I would be interested in hearing about member experiences with successful and best methods for do-it-yourself degreasing and getting some high-temperature rattle can paint applied.
Thanks
Noah _________________ 1962 Ghia Cabriolet (why did I sell you?!)
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kingkarmann Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2003 Posts: 4111
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:32 am Post subject: Re: going rate these days (in your area) on powder coating tins? |
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Well, this is a timely post as I just sent mine off to be powder coated. Originally, I painted my tins with Rustoleum "Hammered" finish. It looked nice but I was never in love with it. Additionally, I had to be very careful not to damage the finish when I worked on the motor. If I dinged anything it was almost impossible to touch up without being noticeable. Over the years it's been dinged enough to need a redo.
The price you were quoted seems to be about right and likely will never have to be addressed once done. _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
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PolarBearVW Samba Member
Joined: June 26, 2013 Posts: 291
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:11 am Post subject: Re: going rate these days (in your area) on powder coating tins? |
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I guess you could set your expectations with a gut-shot estimate of Time-and-Materials:
$320 = $20/hr x16hr metal prep/paint time
$150 = materials and overhead (paint/I have a sandblaster and you don't etc..)
$470
I have no idea if that is an actual shop rate or materials...but it seems ballparkish for a shop that hasn't done it beore. Maybe go to a do-it-yourself sandblast place and buy a pint of POR-15 on your own to get it down? _________________ 1974 Ghia Coupe |
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Peter D. Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2004 Posts: 718 Location: Stamford, CT
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Going rate these days (in your area) on powder coating tins? |
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I sent mine to Awesome Powdercoat in OH and they came out really nice. The worst part is shipping.
If you're not doing a show car and don't mind putting in the elbow grease you can sand down and rattlecan paint it yourself again. Maybe use 2K paint in a spray paint can from Eastwood or off of Amazon. VHT satin black is also nice paint. _________________ 2019 Golf Alltrack, '65 Ghia Coupe Restoration in Progress |
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kingkarmann Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Going rate these days (in your area) on powder coating tins? |
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Peter D. wrote: |
I sent mine to Awesome Powdercoat in OH and they came out really nice. The worst part is shipping.
If you're not doing a show car and don't mind putting in the elbow grease you can sand down and rattlecan paint it yourself again. Maybe use 2K paint in a spray paint can from Eastwood or off of Amazon. VHT satin black is also nice paint. |
Agree, Eastwood paints are of good quality.
Clark has mine as we speak. Fortunately he is only an hour or so from me so I save on the shipping. _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
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kiwighia68 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2013 Posts: 2874 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Going rate these days (in your area) on powder coating tins? |
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I cleaned my Ghia's tins myself and after 'n light sanding used Hammerite (hammered finish) from a rattle can ($20, with paint to spare after 3 coats) . 5 years later and it's still good everywhere. It's a job that can be finished in a morning - no way will I pay $450 for that. _________________ Festina lente - hasten slowly
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didget69 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2004 Posts: 4927 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Going rate these days (in your area) on powder coating tins? |
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Hmm... painted tins seemed to work fine for the VW factories for years...
bnc _________________ I never found the need to impress people with any mechanic certifications, trophies or track wins... unless it was for Mom to post on the refrigerator door. |
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didget69 Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2004 Posts: 4927 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: going rate these days (in your area) on powder coating tins? |
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tjschmidty wrote: |
I guess you could set your expectations with a gut-shot estimate of Time-and-Materials:
$320 = $20/hr x16hr metal prep/paint time
$150 = materials and overhead (paint/I have a sandblaster and you don't etc..)
$470
I have no idea if that is an actual shop rate or materials...but it seems ballparkish for a shop that hasn't done it beore. Maybe go to a do-it-yourself sandblast place and buy a pint of POR-15 on your own to get it down? |
Powder coating in and of itself isn't expensive - stripping & prepping the parts for coating is where most of the Labor cost is incurred.
bnc _________________ I never found the need to impress people with any mechanic certifications, trophies or track wins... unless it was for Mom to post on the refrigerator door. |
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kingkarmann Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Going rate these days (in your area) on powder coating tins? |
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kiwighia68 wrote: |
I cleaned my Ghia's tins myself and after 'n light sanding used Hammerite (hammered finish) from a rattle can ($20, with paint to spare after 3 coats) . 5 years later and it's still good everywhere. It's a job that can be finished in a morning - no way will I pay $450 for that. |
I did mine a dozen years ago. The tins were looking tired plus I wanted a slightly different finish that I am unable to create with paint.
The Hammered finish was nice though😃 _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
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anthracitedub Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2007 Posts: 3241 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Going rate these days (in your area) on powder coating tins? |
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I hammertoned a set of tins 20 years ago. Recently tore the engine down and over the weekend I power washed them... they still look half decent... some chipping around some of the screw holes. I’m going to re do them in the same silver hammer tone. It’s all about the prep... I’m sure that’s where most of your cost is at. Surfaces have to be clean for a proper PC job. |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Going rate these days (in your area) on powder coating tins? |
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I had all my engine tin off a 67 bug powder coated probably 10 years ago. It was less than $200 dollars and I'm thinking it was $150.00
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sputnick60 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 22, 2007 Posts: 3916 Location: In Molinya Orbit
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: Going rate these days (in your area) on powder coating tins? |
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I've never been a fan of powder coating. It nearly always cracks and lets corrosion under the finish. especially in harsh environments. Instead of that, I used ceramic coating on my engine tins. Comes out a similar black colour to the original tin and handles higher temperatures than paint. While I was there I did the heat exchangers in dull silver. It wasn't particularly expensive.
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butlern Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2013 Posts: 81 Location: Iowa City, Iowa
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: Going rate these days (in your area) on powder coating tins? |
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Checkedin with a few other service providers in other communities (each about an hour or more away from me).
Interesting range of pricing. From $250 to $450 for the same group of parts. With no correlation between cost and size of town/community.
Could there be massive variance in the quality of the work? I suppose, as mentioned, it all starts with prep and the cleanliness of the metal, but beyond that one would hope the materials and the coating would be similar if not identical.
I also appreciate the feedback on rattle can and limits of PC and potential for PC to crack...
I'll likely just paint it all myself.
Thanks for the replies
Noah _________________ 1962 Ghia Cabriolet (why did I sell you?!)
1970 Ghia Coupe (glad I sold you)
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3031 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: going rate these days (in your area) on powder coating tins? |
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tjschmidty wrote: |
I guess you could set your expectations with a gut-shot estimate of Time-and-Materials:
$320 = $20/hr x16hr metal prep/paint time
$150 = materials and overhead (paint/I have a sandblaster and you don't etc..)
$470
I have no idea if that is an actual shop rate or materials...but it seems ballparkish for a shop that hasn't done it beore. Maybe go to a do-it-yourself sandblast place and buy a pint of POR-15 on your own to get it down? |
$20 per hour?? Good luck with that. I don't know of any business that could survive at that rate. At least not in Vermont. _________________ Marc
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PolarBearVW Samba Member
Joined: June 26, 2013 Posts: 291
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Going rate these days (in your area) on powder coating tins? |
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Yeah $20 would be low. The point still stands...run a napkin estimate and pick your tolerable range. _________________ 1974 Ghia Coupe |
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