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damicotile Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2004 Posts: 1069 Location: WOODLAND CA.
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:29 am Post subject: Alternative heater options |
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I'm running J-Tubes so no heat.
Any ideas on how to heat this thing simply. Like a plugin type heater? _________________ '73 SB
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damicotile Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2004 Posts: 1069 Location: WOODLAND CA.
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:32 am Post subject: |
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I just did a search and found a link with the same topic I just posted. I read up on it. _________________ '73 SB
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johnnypan Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 7431 Location: sackamenna
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:32 am Post subject: |
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light your backseat on fire. |
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streetstock70 Samba Member
Joined: October 21, 2010 Posts: 258 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Couldn't you wick your gas tank? ""SAMBA DOES NOT ENDORSE THIS IDEA"" Please do not try this at home. _________________ 1970 Standard Beetle |
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lupin..the..3rd Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2009 Posts: 1800
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Remove the J-tubes and install heater boxes. Easiest and simplest route there is. J-tubes are for people who absolutely do not ever want heat.
Your only other option is to wear a scarf and mittens.
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damicotile Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2004 Posts: 1069 Location: WOODLAND CA.
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, jabenaros make my head sweat and my asshole burn but I'm not going to eat Mexican food before every trip.
I was looking for something to warm me up in between those two points.
Any ideas?
My wifes a hair dresser. I was thinking of duct taping a couple of hair dryers together under the dash but the smell of burning hair makes me puke. _________________ '73 SB
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lupin..the..3rd Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:46 am Post subject: |
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damicotile wrote: |
I was thinking of duct taping a couple of hair dryers together under the dash |
How would you power them? Your generator doesn't make enough juice to even power one hair dryer. Heck, it barely makes enough to run the ignition system and the headlamps at the same time. |
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streetstock70 Samba Member
Joined: October 21, 2010 Posts: 258 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:25 am Post subject: |
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lupin..the..3rd wrote: |
damicotile wrote: |
I was thinking of duct taping a couple of hair dryers together under the dash |
How would you power them? Your generator doesn't make enough juice to even power one hair dryer. Heck, it barely makes enough to run the ignition system and the headlamps at the same time. |
Power inverter.. 12vDC to 120vAC. _________________ 1970 Standard Beetle |
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damicotile Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2004 Posts: 1069 Location: WOODLAND CA.
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:35 am Post subject: |
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The hair dryer comment was a joke and I did think about the inverter setup.
I have a A-1 header system so hooking up heater boxes are out unles I get a whole new header with boxes from A-1 plus one of the Bakelite ducts that go thru the body is all broke up and you know what a bitch that is to replace.
I had thought up an idea where flat copper tubing is coiled around the J-Tubes and fed to a heater core and water pump and then circulated like a regular car heater does but then you get into the whole amp draw problem again on the alt. and by the time the water get to the core it probably not be hot enough to do any good.
Damn, my feet are cold!!! _________________ '73 SB
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marklee Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2009 Posts: 821 Location: Flintshire, North Wales
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:45 am Post subject: |
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bite the bullet, put in decent OG heater parts and all you will complain about is roasted feet _________________ CGLI qualified body repair and refinish tech
CGLI qualified motor repair tech
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Wolfgangdieter Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2008 Posts: 1958 Location: FL Panhandle
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Assume you wanted some realistic ideas? Get external oil cooler and plumb it to back seat area. Add a blower fan or two and you'll have 200 degrees of heat once oil heats up. Other more costly is a optional gas geater like from Stewart Warner Insta-heat or Ebersparcher BN2. _________________ CMC '57 Porsche Speedster Replica and Dolphin boat tailed full pan VW MOD-T Street Buggy
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Zach Thomas Samba Member
Joined: August 12, 2008 Posts: 929 Location: Lake Stevens, WA
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Buy a gas heater, if you have the money buy one of the new ones by Espar. Should keep you pretty warm. _________________ 62 Rag - a little crusty |
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flierbob Samba Member
Joined: August 21, 2008 Posts: 538 Location: Silverdale WA
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:36 am Post subject: |
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get the gas heater, had one and it worked great
Got a great laugh out of some of the replies
Bob |
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Wolfgangdieter Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2008 Posts: 1958 Location: FL Panhandle
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:03 am Post subject: |
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I had a '72 VW bus that we used for skiing - although it had normal heat it never got really warm. I used a Coleman propane catalytic heater in back area. It worked fine until someone put a down filled parka on it at one of the rest stops. Nothing like the smell of singed down feathers.
Gas heaters are cool - buying missing individual parts gets costly. Buy one and one for spare parts. Service it and always carry a fire extinguisher. _________________ CMC '57 Porsche Speedster Replica and Dolphin boat tailed full pan VW MOD-T Street Buggy |
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fred69vert Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2007 Posts: 2200 Location: Home of the US Navy Atlantic Fleet, Norfolk, VA
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Get one of these and set it in the passenger side floor.
http://www.mrheater.com/ProductFamily.aspx?catid=41 _________________ I'm not losing my hair, it's just retired and relocating further south.
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Go_Bug_n Samba Member
Joined: August 01, 2008 Posts: 191 Location: Rockledge, Florida
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:20 am Post subject: |
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1974YellowBug wrote: |
lupin..the..3rd wrote: |
damicotile wrote: |
I was thinking of duct taping a couple of hair dryers together under the dash |
How would you power them? Your generator doesn't make enough juice to even power one hair dryer. Heck, it barely makes enough to run the ignition system and the headlamps at the same time. |
Power inverter.. 12vDC to 120vAC. |
Converting from 12V to 120VAC does not nullify the laws of physics. Your alternator and battery would have to deliver well over 160 AMPS continuously! The current losses on the 12VDC side would be horrendous and then you lose power through the conversion to 120VAC.
Your alternator would have to deliver at least 2000 watts of electric power for a blow dryer. From the alternator to the blow dryer, you can expect to lose quite a bit of power. The average blow dryer is a 1500 watt appliance and you still need power for everything else in the car.
Better off to restore the factory exhaust and factory heater as God and VW intended. A tight and proper Bug heater will get the job done in most situations. An easy heater upgrade are booster fans that you insert between the heater boxes and the heater channels. |
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damicotile Samba Member
Joined: September 16, 2004 Posts: 1069 Location: WOODLAND CA.
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:57 am Post subject: |
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The replies to my serious question about heating this bug were fun and sometimes funny. Then there were those that took my comment on duct taping 2 hair dryers together serious, which I was not.
Then Wolfgangdieter chimes in with, what I assume was a smart ass remark about putting an external oil cooler with a fan in the back seat and it would deliver 200 degs of heat.
It took me a while but what if Wolfs comment wasn't just a smart ass remark but a stroke of genius.
Think about it. Your Chevy, Dodge, Honda whatever heats the car thru engine coolant pumped thru a heater core.
So why not have a system where oil is the coolant and pumped thru a heater core and a fan blown thru it to heat a car.
Wolf, you may have just been joking but I think if setup thru the heater channels it just might work.
Remember, the subject line for this post is "Alternative". _________________ '73 SB
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Silicon bronze sleeves
Scat 1.25:1
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streetstock70 Samba Member
Joined: October 21, 2010 Posts: 258 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:58 am Post subject: |
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Go_Bug_n wrote: |
1974YellowBug wrote: |
lupin..the..3rd wrote: |
damicotile wrote: |
I was thinking of duct taping a couple of hair dryers together under the dash |
How would you power them? Your generator doesn't make enough juice to even power one hair dryer. Heck, it barely makes enough to run the ignition system and the headlamps at the same time. |
Power inverter.. 12vDC to 120vAC. |
Converting from 12V to 120VAC does not nullify the laws of physics. Your alternator and battery would have to deliver well over 160 AMPS continuously! The current losses on the 12VDC side would be horrendous and then you lose power through the conversion to 120VAC.
Your alternator would have to deliver at least 2000 watts of electric power for a blow dryer. From the alternator to the blow dryer, you can expect to lose quite a bit of power. The average blow dryer is a 1500 watt appliance and you still need power for everything else in the car.
Better off to restore the factory exhaust and factory heater as God and VW intended. A tight and proper Bug heater will get the job done in most situations. An easy heater upgrade are booster fans that you insert between the heater boxes and the heater channels. |
Just Kidding,Hope you get your Heat, one way or another _________________ 1970 Standard Beetle |
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donmurray Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2008 Posts: 841 Location: Frisco Texas
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:13 am Post subject: |
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I've seen the oil cooler idea before, but I just realized that my cooler is mounted high, right above the duct that connects the drivers side heater box to the channel. The cooler is also wired to blow down. Photos in my gallery. Drivers side has a J tube instead of a heater box, because the cooler is in the way. Also no duct currently installed. Now, if I could capture about half of that hot air from the cooler and route it to the heat channel with a modified duct. Would need a shallow capture box under the cooler with a diverter valve to direct hot air to the duct, or down and out. Anyway, How the oil cooler is mounted will have a big effect on how much work will be required to use that heat.
The passenger side heat system with heater box is functioning, so for the N Texas area that may be sufficient, except for driver side defogging. _________________ 74 Ghia, with 2110 engine |
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CHEVYJEFF Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2009 Posts: 61 Location: WYLIE TEXAS
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Golf cart heater. lol
just make sure to keep windows cracked.
doubles as a cigarette lighter and defroster all in one
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