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bjrogers86auto Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:14 pm Post subject: light |
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The suspense is killing me! _________________ 86 Vanagon GL Westfalia 2.1
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A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day. Calvin and Hobbes. |
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irgsmoore4 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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me too! _________________ Ivan
99 Eurovan (The Tortuga)
87 2.1 WBX Vanagon ( Elsie ) sold
Wife,3 kids 1 dog(luna)
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9889 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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I assume the led in the middle of the temp gauge also blinks several times? And there is a red led in the OX position below the BAT/ALT led and the OX led does not come on?
Assuming the above is correct, do you have a Bentley and what year does it go up to?
Bentley page 97.104 shows the 1987 alternator and D+ with a blue wire going up the page to a spot labeled E13. Do you see this?
Before it gets to E13 there is a connection labeled T1d. See it?
Over on the left page is a list that includes wire connectors. Bottom center is T1d. It says "single, in wire distrib., engine compartment".
The engine compartment wiring box is on the driver side forward corner. Open it and find the blue wire with single connector. Unplug the connector and ground the inside pin while someone watches the dash for the led. If you can't tell which end goes to the dash, try grounding each end in turn. EDIT:the key must be on of course.
Does the light come on?
Mark
irgsmoore4 wrote: |
the only light that comes on is the oil light , the others work(high beam, turn signal) |
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Tom Powell Samba Member
Joined: December 01, 2005 Posts: 4855 Location: Kaneohe
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: light |
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bjrogers86auto wrote: |
The suspense is killing me! |
me too
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irgsmoore4 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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yes when i grounded the inside pin the light came on. _________________ Ivan
99 Eurovan (The Tortuga)
87 2.1 WBX Vanagon ( Elsie ) sold
Wife,3 kids 1 dog(luna)
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Tom Powell Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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irgsmoore4 wrote: |
yes when i grounded the inside pin the light came on. |
the light is good. it must be the wiring
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irgsmoore4 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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so problem solved???? do i just in a new blue wire from the alt to the conection in the black box??? _________________ Ivan
99 Eurovan (The Tortuga)
87 2.1 WBX Vanagon ( Elsie ) sold
Wife,3 kids 1 dog(luna)
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, either that connection was bad or there is a break in the blue wire from that point across and back to the alternator. Look inside the plastic housing and make sure the pins look good, then reconnect them, test for the led with key on.
Mark
irgsmoore4 wrote: |
yes when i grounded the inside pin the light came on. |
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irgsmoore4 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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ok have to back up ,i tested the blue wire at the alt again to a ground point and the light came on i guess the first test was not a good ground point , so the wire is good. _________________ Ivan
99 Eurovan (The Tortuga)
87 2.1 WBX Vanagon ( Elsie ) sold
Wife,3 kids 1 dog(luna)
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Tom Powell Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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OK, pull the blue wire off again. Then have someone watch the led while you touch the blue wire to bare metal on the engine. The led should come on whenever the blue wire is grounded to bare metal. Does it?
Mark
irgsmoore4 wrote: |
no luck, the LED still did not light up. |
Should this test have been done with the key on?
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irgsmoore4 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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so i pulled off the blue wire, put key in grounded blue wire and voila , LED came on. _________________ Ivan
99 Eurovan (The Tortuga)
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irgsmoore4 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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so should i run a ground from the blue wire while its on the alt? would this solve the problem, seems to me like the alt is not grounded enough. although i have attached a ground to the alt. _________________ Ivan
99 Eurovan (The Tortuga)
87 2.1 WBX Vanagon ( Elsie ) sold
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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No, grounding the blue wire will make the dash led work but keep the alternator from charging.
Ok, are you saying the light still does not come on when attached to the alternator but does now come on when the wire is grounded by hand?
If so, I wonder if you are attaching the blue wire to the right place. Can you post a photo of the back of the alternator with your wires attached?
The most likely explaination is that the blue wire has an internal break and when you held it to ground you pulled it such that it made contact inside for a moment. I would try a new wire from T1d to the alternator D+. Any gauge wire from 20 or larger should work. 16 or 14 is more ideal for a permanent replacement.
Mark
irgsmoore4 wrote: |
so should i run a ground from the blue wire while its on the alt? would this solve the problem, seems to me like the alt is not grounded enough. although i have attached a ground to the alt. |
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irgsmoore4 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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so i attached a wire from the alt to the blue that goes to the light and the light came on, so the wire must be broke that runs to the alt . will this now solve my problem? will the alt now charge?[/img] _________________ Ivan
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irgsmoore4 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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i cant attach a pic (im a dumb@ss and dont know how)!!!!!!!!!!!!!! _________________ Ivan
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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If the alt light comes on when the key is turned on and then goes out after the engine is started it indicates that charging is taking place. You should measure the voltage to be sure.
At the alternator 13mm nut red wire you should see at least 13.5 volts measured between there and the case of the alternator. Then measure at the 2 battery posts to see how much voltage is getting there. If the battery is drained, the voltage at the battery will be lower until it is fully charged.
Mark
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so i attached a wire from the alt to the blue that goes to the light and the light came on, so the wire must be broke that runs to the alt . will this now solve my problem? will the alt now charge?[/img] |
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irgsmoore4 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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you are a genius, the light came on and when she stated the light went out. At the alt i had 14.02 and at the battery theres 13.95 (i charged the bat yesterday), so all should be good , thank you so much for your help, now to remove the old wire and put in a permanent one. again thank you. _________________ Ivan
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Timwhy Samba Member
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greenplasticme Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm having a very similar problem with my '83 Water-cooled Westy. Both the ALT & OSX lights are on when key is turned and ignition is on or off.
What I've done so far:
1) Disconnected the blue wire from the alternator. (Light still blinks)
2) Disconnected the blue wire from the alternator and completed the circuit (via paper clip/multimeter) Multimeter showed 0.
3) Tested connection up front where 14-point connector connects to wire connector. (Lights go off)
I am thinking the blue wire is at fault here. Just wondering how I go about replacing it?
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NorthOf50 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: Alternator light,? WHERE? |
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Bump on the topic since I can't find a better one.
I'm having a similar problem as the OP.
Alt light does not light with key on, eng off. When I ground blue alt wire with key on it lights (and I also measure 12V to Gnd thru it). Very rarely the alt light will light if eng running but it basically is just always off no matter what.
I have 12.6V @ Batt and @ Alt with all off.
I have 12.3V with eng on.
I have removed the alt, inspected the brushes and slip rings, both seem fine and not overly worn but not new. Alt is back in place, belts tight. Grounding is good from alt to body and ver'd against gnd from eng to body.
I have the Bentley but am having a hard time deciphering. pg 97.56 seems to show path 26 just going from alt (t1c) to t2b which would indicate that it's just a straight run from the alt to the dash. is this correct? The light does work when the blue is grounded so I'm pretty sure that the wire continuity must be good.
I have also tried manually exciting the alt from B+ to D- post but alt still just gives out 12.3V
Alternator fried? am I missing something else?
Thanks in advance. _________________ '84 1.9WBX Camper (Penny)
'88 2.1WBX Camper (Martin) |
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