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chroche
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 Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:15 pm Post subject: Why you replace the rubber brake lines |
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From many weeks ago when my first restore task was to go through the brakes. This is why you replace the rubber brake lines on a restoration project. Cross section of a rear rubber brake line.
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Max Welton
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Rustforlife
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A picture speaks a thousand words. Guilty as charged.  |
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i-cortin
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Wow...
But these brake are expensive, so if you don't know when they were last replaced or the shape that they are in...
Is there a way to check them?
Don't want to just replace them if they don't need to be. |
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vw_hank
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Wow...
But these brake are expensive, so if you don't know when they were last replaced or the shape that they are in...
Is there a way to check them?
Don't want to just replace them if they don't need to be. |
 there's nothing expensive about VW brakes.. if "you" did not do them in the last 10 years then replace them.. its A good time to upgrade to stainless lines 
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lupin..the..3rd
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| i-cortin wrote: |
But these brake are expensive, |
Are you joking? An aircooled VW has about the cheapest and simplest brake system of any car on the road.
If you don't know when they were last replaced, that means they are way overdue and will look just like the photo above. Replace them. |
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i-cortin
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| lupin..the..3rd wrote: |
| i-cortin wrote: |
But these brake are expensive, |
Are you joking? An aircooled VW has about the cheapest and simplest brake system of any car on the road.
If you don't know when they were last replaced, that means they are way overdue and will look just like the photo above. Replace them. |
Well when I purchased the car about 3 years ago, the PO said that the brakes had been rebuilt.
Brakes were good but I did have to replace the rear cylinders a few months ago... shoes looked good.
... and "expensive" is relative - I mean a good quality set of these rubber lines total to a bit more than $100 plus the shipping cost - that's money that if you don't have to spend you can use for something else. |
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vw_hank
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| i-cortin wrote: |
| lupin..the..3rd wrote: |
| i-cortin wrote: |
But these brake are expensive, |
Are you joking? An aircooled VW has about the cheapest and simplest brake system of any car on the road.
If you don't know when they were last replaced, that means they are way overdue and will look just like the photo above. Replace them. |
Well when I purchased the car about 3 years ago, the PO said that the brakes had been rebuilt.
Brakes were good but I did have to replace the rear cylinders a few months ago... shoes looked good.
... and "expensive" is relative - I mean a good quality set of these rubber lines total to a bit more than $100 plus the shipping cost - that's money that if you don't have to spend you can use for something else. |
Wow i don't know were you got that quote, but I can git a full set of stainless flex lines for well under $100
and never trust PO's thy are trying to sell you the car  unless the have reseats..
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i-cortin
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[quote="vw_hank"][quote="i-cortin"]
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Wow i don't know were you got that quote, but I can git a full set of stainless flex lines for well under $100
and never trust PO's thy are trying to sell you the car unless the have reseats.. |
Well Wolfsburg West German front lines are 18.80 each, rear 18.00 each, so that's $73.60 plus the shipping...
Yeah I guess I exaggerated a bit... still with the shipping it'll be near $100.
Where is it that you can stainless for under $100 ? |
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Gary
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| i-cortin wrote: |
| lupin..the..3rd wrote: |
| i-cortin wrote: |
But these brake are expensive, |
Are you joking? An aircooled VW has about the cheapest and simplest brake system of any car on the road.
If you don't know when they were last replaced, that means they are way overdue and will look just like the photo above. Replace them. |
Well when I purchased the car about 3 years ago, the PO said that the brakes had been rebuilt.
Brakes were good but I did have to replace the rear cylinders a few months ago... shoes looked good.
... and "expensive" is relative - I mean a good quality set of these rubber lines total to a bit more than $100 plus the shipping cost - that's money that if you don't have to spend you can use for something else. |
It's better to spend extra in order to be able to slow or stop the vehicle than to spend it on anything else for the vehicle.
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vw_hank
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[quote="i-cortin"][quote="vw_hank"]
| i-cortin wrote: |
| lupin..the..3rd wrote: |
Wow i don't know were you got that quote, but I can git a full set of stainless flex lines for well under $100
and never trust PO's thy are trying to sell you the car unless the have reseats.. |
Well Wolfsburg West German front lines are 18.80 each, rear 18.00 each, so that's $73.60 plus the shipping...
Yeah I guess I exaggerated a bit... still with the shipping it'll be near $100.
Where is it that you can stainless for under $100 ? |
http://www.jcwhitney.com/stainless-steel-brake-hose-kits/p2012763.jcwx?filterid=c15918d14268j1
Im not A big j.c.whitney fan,, but thy are bugpack brake lines and thy are $76
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bugninva
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| Gary wrote: |
It's better to spend extra in order to be able to slow or stop the vehicle than to spend it on anything else for the vehicle. |
yeah, front clips are not cheap, and welders charge for their labor...
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GEX has. Just sayin |
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marcodelat
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| vw_hank wrote: |
| i-cortin wrote: |
| lupin..the..3rd wrote: |
Wow i don't know were you got that quote, but I can git a full set of stainless flex lines for well under $100
and never trust PO's thy are trying to sell you the car unless the have reseats.. |
Well Wolfsburg West German front lines are 18.80 each, rear 18.00 each, so that's $73.60 plus the shipping...
Yeah I guess I exaggerated a bit... still with the shipping it'll be near $100.
Where is it that you can stainless for under $100 ? |
http://www.jcwhitney.com/stainless-steel-brake-hose-kits/p2012763.jcwx?filterid=c15918d14268j1
Im not A big j.c.whitney fan,, but thy are bugpack brake lines and thy are $76 |
Vertex in Miami http://www.vertexautoparts.com/index.aspx
... carries good quality German-made Meyle brake hoses at VERY reasonable prices - examples:
http://www.vertexautoparts.com/1975,VOLKSWAGEN,BEE...VWA080956/
http://www.vertexautoparts.com/1970,VOLKSWAGEN,BEE...VWA080953/
So, the "set" of four would total something like $38.00 - plus shipping and/or tax. |
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Boble
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I don't understand the discussion about price of brake parts in this thread.
Bakes on these old and unsafe cars are something you want to be in absolutely 100% top working order.
Money should be saved somewhere else. |
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Gary
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| bugninva wrote: |
| Gary wrote: |
It's better to spend extra in order to be able to slow or stop the vehicle than to spend it on anything else for the vehicle. |
yeah, front clips are not cheap, and welders charge for their labor... |
Medical bills, higher insurance premiums, and being ticketed for a mechanically unsafe vehicle are also "hidden taxes".
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my quite
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Boble wrote: |
Bakes on these old and unsafe cars are something you want to be in absolutely 100% top working order.
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My car is old, but i certainly don't consider it unsafe. I wouldn't drive an unsafe vehicle. |
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Boble
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| my quite wrote: |
| Boble wrote: |
Bakes on these old and unsafe cars are something you want to be in absolutely 100% top working order.
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My car is old, but i certainly don't consider it unsafe. I wouldn't drive an unsafe vehicle. |
Well, not directly unsafe maybe, but compared with today's cars, well... In my new VW Golf I have an airbag in front of me. In my 72 beetle I have a gas tank...
I want those brakes to work. |
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i-cortin
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| Boble wrote: |
I don't understand the discussion about price of brake parts in this thread.
Bakes on these old and unsafe cars are something you want to be in absolutely 100% top working order.
Money should be saved somewhere else. |
didn't inted for that to happen... just wanted to know if there is any way of checking these hoses once they are removed... if there is and they prove "serviceable", well... why not keep them and maybe just "tag" for a future replacement date.
Thanks for the tip on those hoses in Miami... these people seem to have a few part for AC VWs, and yes prices seem good but they don't mention where the parts are from.
Are Meyle hoses good quality German made? |
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mgamike
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| You are looking at one thing that can happen with brake lines. As they age, they also can collapse on release of the brake pedal, causing a lockup of the brakes. Your car cost more than $100, so what is the big deal in spending a couple of hundred to insure that you still have a car next week, or even tomorrow? Family members and friends are usually worth more than $100, so you will certainly come out ahead replacing brake lines. If the PO told you that he rebuilt the brakes, the implication is that the car has new pads or shoes, and the rotors or drums were turned as a minimum. He may have only replaced the pads and shoes without even turning the drums and rotors. Also, there is no guarantee that the lines, calipers, master cylinder or wheel cylinders have been replaced unless there is a receipt for that. BTW, did I mention that the PO of my car told me that he put a brand new battery in the car, and he even gave me a receipt for it. When the battery died 3 months later, I pulled it out and found out that it was 5 years old. Don't necessarily believe receipts either. |
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