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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok a quick look online and i remember now why i said trail car not dunbar kapple, looks as though trail car was one of dunbars product lines. Sorta like Allstate was for Sears. Im sorta limited on my cell for research when not at home.

And yes they were busy making trailers for the military during WWII. I know they made boat trailers as well, wonder what else they did.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ok a quick look online and i remember now why i said trail car not dunbar kapple, looks as though trail car was one of dunbars product lines. Sorta like Allstate was for Sears. Im sorta limited on my cell for research when not at home.

And yes they were busy making trailers for the military during WWII. I know they made boat trailers as well, wonder what else they did.


As for Dumbar-Kapple, the only single wheel trailer I've seen for them was the one that 55reasons posted, which is a ringer for the all-metal, streamlined Allstate trailer with the two long forks, as shown in that '50s catalog page that was posted a few days ago. That picture has convinced me that DK was the company that built those Allstate Trailers. They also made a ton of two-wheeled trailers for the military, some apparently based on a design by the Ben-Hur Company.

A quick internet search for Trailcar reveals that boat trailers might have been their bread-and-butter work. At least, most of the references were to boat trailers.

But that same internet research reveals something else, too ... a Trailcar ad, date unknown, from the Warshawsky catalog:

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That picture looks mighty like a post-war Allstate trailer ... note the cast tongues with two right-angles and the cast wheel fork with the single spring.

Most people know the Warshawsky company, founded in 1915, by the name of their mail-order component: JC Whitney. So it seems that some company was making trailers for Warshawsky under the Trailcar marque and also selling them to Sears for branding as Allstate trailers, or the company itself was called Trailcar.

Now what I need is somebody in the Chicago area who can do a little research in the Polk city directories of that era, and find out whether there was a company called Trailcar in St. Charles or Geneva or Elgin or Batavia or that general area in the time slot of, say, 1948 to 1961. Any volunteers?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in the general area, south of Batavia, Geneva, Stcharles by just short of a hour. What are Polk citie directories?

Looking at somewhat confusing info on the net it looks as though Trail car was a division of Dunbar Kapple. And seeing as though the Dunbar Kapple tag says Geneva I would say that's the first place to focus. I am not a good reseacher, and there's not much info online about the company itself. Found talk about military trailers, and boat trailers. Let me know where to look and when I get the chance I will. I may be running some VW parts up to Geneva saturday for a friend. So if I need to stop somewhere I could.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can also say I've had a '48 Allstate wood box. No mounting hardware but Everything else was exactly the same as the trail car pic above. So they were made again or starting in '48
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JLT, the above flyer is a really cool find!
I have never seen that before.

Those trailing arms in the photo are definately of a different casting. They look about twice as wide with a double groove.

The arms look the same from the photo, but I would love to get my hands on that splash-guard!

Cool stuff....

Thanks for posting that.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vintagevwnut wrote:
I'm in the general area, south of Batavia, Geneva, Stcharles by just short of a hour. What are Polk citie directories?


For the past century or so, the Polk company has been compiling directories in just about every major community listing all people and businesses there. Kinda like the telephone directory, but more detailed. Most public libraries and historical societies keep back issues of the directories, because they're gold mines of information on who lived where and when, and what businesses they had.

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Looking at somewhat confusing info on the net it looks as though Trail car was a division of Dunbar Kapple. And seeing as though the Dunbar Kapple tag says Geneva I would say that's the first place to focus. I am not a good reseacher, and there's not much info online about the company itself. Found talk about military trailers, and boat trailers. Let me know where to look and when I get the chance I will. I may be running some VW parts up to Geneva saturday for a friend. So if I need to stop somewhere I could.


"Confusing" is an understatement. A lot of what's on the Web is people reciting what other people have said, so errors are perpetuated. That's why I'm trying to base my own research on catalogs, references in the press of the time, and first-person interviews.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never seen one quite like that.

I'll check it out on a monitor when I get home.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

55reasons wrote:
I've never seen one quite like that.

I'll check it out on a monitor when I get home.


I see one every day ... in my driveway. It's the classic post-'61 Allstate trailer made by Ideal. The giveaways: the tongues made of flat stock with two slight bends and the two "clampdowns" made of similar flat stock with two bends and a threaded hole that mates with the threaded bolts welded onto the tongues, and the wheel mounted by brackets on the two longest leaves of the leaf-spring suspension. These were both unique to that breed of Allstate trailer, as best as I can determine.

I gotta break down and post the history research I've been doing, along with pix of my own trailer. Too long to go on the Samba, so I'll just put them on my own web site and post the URL when I'm done with it. (The Samba pix section already has pictures of my trailer, and the thread can be found at:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?search_author=JLT

for those who are curious. What's weird about my trailer are the additional fold-up legs and those coil springs mounted on the ends of the leaf springs where the wheels bolt on. The guy I talked to who worked as the welding foreman at Ideal swears that no trailer ever left the factory like that, and has assumed that it was added on at some later date by some owner, for obscure reasons.

And I should add that if anybody's in the Sacramento, CA area, my trailer will be at the show this weekend at the California Auto Museum:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I guess I never looked at any of the late models.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah never knew they existed.

Jlt, I think i missed a call from you. Sorry i was in the garage and the phone was on vibrate. I will give you a call tomorrow evening.
I did speak with the Geneva library today, they have records going back to the early 1900's.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

P.S. Oldskool,as cool as that original Allstate tires is, I highly suggest replacing it with a new tire and tube to avoid a blow out.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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