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67bus350
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 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:22 pm Post subject: 67 bus disc brake conversion |
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Hello everyone, I have quite a gem, for the purists, you may hate me, but i DID NOT do the conversion, I'm working on a 67 bus right now and the owner/friend wants disc brakes on it at a reasonable cost, the current set up is stock on the front the rear is drum but not vw..lol....this bus sports a chev 350 so needless to say it needs more stopping power, What do I need to do the conversion and where can I get all the stuff at a reasonable price?? please don't flame me to hard  |
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KILLERWATT
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If you do a search you'll see that this has been covered several times on the split bus thread. What I did was pulled a set of Porsche 944 brakes from a junkyard, clean them up, bought new rotors and pads locally. Then I got a caliper mount and spacer kit to run them on stock bus spindles from Russ at OldSpeed. I think the kit was around $200. If you can change bearings you can install this kit.
http://www.oldspeed.com/
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67bus350
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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If you do a search you'll see that this has been covered several times on the split bus thread. What I did was pulled a set of Porsche 944 brakes from a junkyard, clean them up, bought new rotors and pads locally. Then I got a caliper mount and spacer kit to run them on stock bus spindles from Russ at OldSpeed. I think the kit was around $200. If you can change bearings you can install this kit.
http://www.oldspeed.com/
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I have done a search but I keep seeing "there are many ways to skin a cat" ect ect but no real complete lists.....in fact I looked at this kit : http://www.csp-shop.de/cgi-bin/cshop2/front/shop_m...0&all=
The guy wants power brakes so I need a booster also, in fact I have even spoke with wolfgang international and they have a kit and for other needed parts, he put me on to a vw bone yard in montana, my tech ability is ummm...lets just say above par for this task. I was just looking for people to chime in with "the different ways to skin a cat"........so I can present the options to my friend/customer without breaking the bank......the conversion must be disc in the front and have power brakes = the requirements, thanks for the tid bit of info you have provided thus far  |
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GERMANAIRE
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:07 am Post subject: Disc Brakes! |
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Ronnie at BUSTORATIONS has a kit from SACO that I am using and I love it. plus its a 4 piston caliper CNC machined set up which is good. Ronnie is a great guy with alot of knowledge on these breaks and can help you out.
here is the link:
http://www.bustoration.com/Disc-Brake-kit-1955-to-1962-bus-front-4-piston-caliper_p_1765.html
Give him a call he can help you with more tech support if needed.
Good Luck, Peter  |
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67bus350
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:34 am Post subject: Re: Disc Brakes! |
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thanks Peter, I'll do that!! are you using a brake booster also??? |
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GERMANAIRE
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| No just a Master Cylinder. But trust me it stops. I guess with the extra weight of the big engine you may need one specially if the customer is asking, you have to give them what they want. Good Luck and post some pics, Peter |
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Andrew
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| The guy wants power brakes so I need a booster also, in fact I have even spoke with wolfgang international and they have a kit and for other needed parts, he put me on to a vw bone yard in montana, my tech ability is ummm...lets just say above par for this task. I was just looking for people to chime in with "the different ways to skin a cat"........so I can present the options to my friend/customer without breaking the bank......the conversion must be disc in the front and have power brakes = the requirements, thanks for the tid bit of info you have provided thus far |
There are no pre-made kits that have a power booster. You will have to make your own setup for that. My opinion, though, is that he should try it without a booster before going to the trouble of fitting one. I've got a 944 disc brake setup just like KILLERWATT, and I don't feel that a booster is needed.
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roberto
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I have the 944 set up on all 4's, master cylinder as well. I concur, there is no need for a power booster. I'm not fully convinced that I even needed the rears.
I am currently building a bay with 944/wilwood up front and stock drums out back. Im sure it will be plenty. |
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66uno
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:27 pm Post subject: brakes |
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| I think there is also a way to use a 68 beam and later model vw bus disk brakes. I think the front end needs to be dropped because it sits too high. Well, all of that is if my memory is correct. I am only mentioning this because maybe you have access to breadbox parts. I'm sure 944 is a much better system. |
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66uno
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:27 pm Post subject: brakes |
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| I think there is also a way to use a 68 beam and later model vw bus disk brakes. I think the front end needs to be dropped because it sits too high. Well, all of that is if my memory is correct. I am only mentioning this because maybe you have access to breadbox parts. I'm sure 944 is a much better system. |
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Andrew
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That is one way to do it. Use a 68/69/70 bus beam with stock disc brake spindles. This will allow for the stock late bus master cylinder and disc brakes. A vacuum line will have to be run all the way back to the engine and tapped onto the intake manifold, though.
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67bus350
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| The guy wants power brakes so I need a booster also, in fact I have even spoke with wolfgang international and they have a kit and for other needed parts, he put me on to a vw bone yard in montana, my tech ability is ummm...lets just say above par for this task. I was just looking for people to chime in with "the different ways to skin a cat"........so I can present the options to my friend/customer without breaking the bank......the conversion must be disc in the front and have power brakes = the requirements, thanks for the tid bit of info you have provided thus far |
There are no pre-made kits that have a power booster. You will have to make your own setup for that. My opinion, though, is that he should try it without a booster before going to the trouble of fitting one. I've got a 944 disc brake setup just like KILLERWATT, and I don't feel that a booster is needed. |
so what are all the parts needed for the 944 swap and hwere can one get all the stuff?? |
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Andrew
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| Andrew wrote: |
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| The guy wants power brakes so I need a booster also, in fact I have even spoke with wolfgang international and they have a kit and for other needed parts, he put me on to a vw bone yard in montana, my tech ability is ummm...lets just say above par for this task. I was just looking for people to chime in with "the different ways to skin a cat"........so I can present the options to my friend/customer without breaking the bank......the conversion must be disc in the front and have power brakes = the requirements, thanks for the tid bit of info you have provided thus far |
There are no pre-made kits that have a power booster. You will have to make your own setup for that. My opinion, though, is that he should try it without a booster before going to the trouble of fitting one. I've got a 944 disc brake setup just like KILLERWATT, and I don't feel that a booster is needed. |
so what are all the parts needed for the 944 swap and hwere can one get all the stuff?? |
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=488925
That's the brackets/bearings spacers you need. You need the hubs/rotors and calipers from a NON-turbo 944. Use good quality (i.e. new german) disc brake bay window rubber brake lines. And you'll have to either use a late bay master cylinder or modify the master cylinder presently on your bus. Give Russel at Old Speed (company selling the parts in the ad above) a call if you have any questions and he can walk you through the whole setup and answer any questions you have.
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Gmiee5
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944 brakes look great
What is the different in the offset from stock?
Where can I find an adapter from Porsche to VW 5 Lug?
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KILLERWATT
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Samba user ratlookvw was having them made and selling them last I heard. |
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sub-hatchtim
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i rode in a bus once with power brakes barley touch them you think your gunna go through the winsheild
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67bus350
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| The guy wants power brakes so I need a booster also, in fact I have even spoke with wolfgang international and they have a kit and for other needed parts, he put me on to a vw bone yard in montana, my tech ability is ummm...lets just say above par for this task. I was just looking for people to chime in with "the different ways to skin a cat"........so I can present the options to my friend/customer without breaking the bank......the conversion must be disc in the front and have power brakes = the requirements, thanks for the tid bit of info you have provided thus far |
There are no pre-made kits that have a power booster. You will have to make your own setup for that. My opinion, though, is that he should try it without a booster before going to the trouble of fitting one. I've got a 944 disc brake setup just like KILLERWATT, and I don't feel that a booster is needed. |
so what are all the parts needed for the 944 swap and hwere can one get all the stuff?? |
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=488925
That's the brackets/bearings spacers you need. You need the hubs/rotors and calipers from a NON-turbo 944. Use good quality (i.e. new german) disc brake bay window rubber brake lines. And you'll have to either use a late bay master cylinder or modify the master cylinder presently on your bus. Give Russel at Old Speed (company selling the parts in the ad above) a call if you have any questions and he can walk you through the whole setup and answer any questions you have. |
HEY thanks Andrew, this has been a help and a cost effective solution too, how well or noticable is the difference in stopping power with this kit?? what I guess I mean , how much effort do you have to apply to the pedal?? currently you have to stand on this bus kinda hard and a panic stop..lol forget it. |
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Augsburg57
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| Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:38 am Post subject: Creative Engineering Servo Kit |
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I've eyed this brake servo kit from Creative Engineeringin the UK (see link) and wondered how it would work in my '67 split bus. I have the CSP disc brake kit, as it works with my stock 14" wheels. They work very well, but pedal pressure is a little high, but not a big deal. Creative Engineering has two versions of the servo kit - both "Direct" and "Indirect" versions.
http://www.creative-engineering.com/index.php?opti...;Itemid=26
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67bus350
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| Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Creative Engineering Servo Kit |
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I've eyed this brake servo kit from Creative Engineeringin the UK (see link) and wondered how it would work in my '67 split bus. I have the CSP disc brake kit, as it works with my stock 14" wheels. They work very well, but pedal pressure is a little high, but not a big deal. Creative Engineering has two versions of the servo kit - both "Direct" and "Indirect" versions.
http://www.creative-engineering.com/index.php?opti...;Itemid=26 |
so do you have an idea of what it'd take to install it on a 67?? is it a direct bolt in ? or fab work required?? |
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