W110 cam in a 1600?

worton75 · Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:51 am Post subject: W110 cam in a 1600?

Ok so thinking about building a new engine for the camper.
Cant really go any bigger than a 1600 due to machining costs in the UK and the price of a stroker crank is stupid (£300 or about $480) so its stock'ish size for me.
Have been recommended the W110 cam and hopefully got a set of baby dells FRDs, also thinking maybe 1.25:1 ratio rockers.
Anything else i should consider?

babysnakes · Samba Member Joined: August 19, 2008 Posts: 7106

I had a 1600 in my old '72. it had a W110 it ran well and don't recall prob's. It was a long time ago. My recent 1600 build for my current '72 has a W100, it is closer to a stock grind with better torque than the W110. This motor also has dual 34ICT's and stock rockers.

SGKent · Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:23 pm Post subject:

I like WebCam. They know the business, look for the best products to build from, the owner now in his 60's, has been around VWs since he was a kid. I had a 1971 1600 bus for years and using just stock lifters, rockers and a nice cam you can make them run really well. You will want to balance everything from the flywheel to the pulley as a 1600 will be wound up in 3rd a little more frequently than a larger engine, but they cool really well compared to a larger engine. Maybe the WebCam 86 would be a good cam for an improvement over stock. I think the Engle 110 is too much for the street and I don't like the higher lift cams as it puts more of a load on the camshaft. VW's don't have the camshaft bearing support many engines do. Add in heavy springs and high lift is just another place to create wear. The exhaust and intakes won't let you use a wild cam anyway unless you want to give up your heater (and carb heat if you go to dual carbs).
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MinamiKotaro · Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:04 pm Post subject:

I ran a 110 in a 1600 with dual 36 Dells and (shockhorror) a 009 for years. Ran great, no flat spot, excellent torque in stop-and-go traffic.

That was a Bug, but I don't think a Bus would be that much different.
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SGKent · Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:58 pm Post subject:

I was thinking that is too much cam unless you want to be in 3rd gear at 5000 RPM all the time.
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worton75 · Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:53 pm Post subject:

Cheers guys, this set up was recommended to me by a guy running it. He said it was a bit lumpy on tickover but fine when running.
Might have a look at the W100 as there the same price, would i need high lift rockers with this cam or can i get away with stock (save money is what i really mean Laughing

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Currently running a stainless steel single quiet pack exhaust with 'J' tubes so going to eb using this exhaust.
SVDA dizzy with electronic ignition module fitted.
Can go either single port (if i use the exiasting heads) or i have a spare set of twin port heads i can use.

Anything to consider?

RatCamper · Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:05 pm Post subject:

So more aggressive cams are better for revs and not s good for low end torque?

On a related question I read that increasing the intake port diameter has the same sort of effect. Is this so? I mean on a single port. All this low end torque vs. top end power is interesting.
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SGKent · Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:18 pm Post subject:

Desertbusman · Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:24 pm Post subject:

Some people have liked the W-110 but the majority think it's the wrong cam for a bus unless you want a hot rod to play with around town. It's a great cam for a light bug. The W-100 in a bus puts more power where you want it. More torque in the low rpm range. And is the one recommended by most quality builders. Much better for road trips and longer life. It's mild but you can appreciate the difference over stock. Just match it with good lifters and everything else would remain stock.
I run the Engle W-100 and it was a good choice. 1600 along with dual port, dual baby Webers, headers, dual quiet pack mufflers, and a complete static and dynamic balance. Starts excellent, runs smooth and great with nice performance improvement, and excellent mileage also. Also it seems to run cooler. I would't enlarge the ports because you want the velocity but I did match port and also polish the ports.
Yes, for a bus I'd always recommend the W-100 but not a W-110.
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worton75 · Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:58 pm Post subject:

Desertbusman · Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:14 am Post subject:

Do you have Tom Wilsons engine building book yet? It's as absolutely essential as much as putting a crankshaft in the engine. Wink

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worton75 · Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:12 pm Post subject:

I did have the tom wilson book but found a lot more answers on various forums Wink

SGKent · Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:07 pm Post subject:

Serious question mate - why come here and ask questions if you have already made your mind up. I always thought the purpose of asking a question was to get help rather than tell others what they don't know. Some of the folks who you have blown off their suggestions have 30 - 40 years building engines that do really well. Maybe I am reading it wrong.
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420GOAT · Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:48 pm Post subject:

too much duration. valves are held open too long and torque is lost. the motor needs more rpm to reap the benefits. 100 has a better torque number at a lower rpm. better for a heavy bus. torque is king over horse power. here we go...i went with a SLR cam and matched lifters in my 1915 in my last bus. sweet. was a compromise ...a tad over the 100 and a tad under the 110. very torquey ad revved like a son of a gun. if you rev remember you must have a better balanced rotating assembly...or good quality stuff.
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worton75 · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:37 am Post subject:

SGKent · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:43 am Post subject:

worton75 · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:04 am Post subject:

To be totally honest here in the UK performance parts (and company's) are limited, its pretty much the Engle, the SCAT or the FK range of cams.
Do you have a link to the WebCam site maybe i can contact them?

SGKent · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:24 am Post subject:

http://www.webcamshafts.com

UK dealer don't know how good their pricing is:
TTS PERFORMANCE PARTS LTD
England
Phone: 011/132-7858212
www.tts-performance.co.uk

Also here is a link to all the dealers including France, Germany, Canada, Belgium, etc. Scott at GermanSupply.com in Toronto CA also sells them. Don't know how reasonable shipping is from Canada to the UK.

http://www.webcamshafts.com/mobile/distributors.html
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