Beam disassembly / reassembly

Max Welton · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:37 am Post subject: Beam disassembly / reassembly

I'll look in the Bentley when I get home today, but thought I would solicit input here in the meantime.

What is the procedure for removing and installing the needle bearings and phenolic bushings in a type-3 beam?

I have a spare (69) beam and an NOS set of phenolic bushings and am going to try to come up with one good beam for my 68. The beam in the car is pretty sloppy.

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Mike Fisher · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:16 am Post subject:

Be Sure to take lots of pics, we All need them! Very Happy

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supaninja · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:13 pm Post subject:

X2 to what mike said. I've driven a car with a beam that ISP rebuilt, we are the same height, but wow the ride is a million times better. Pics, max, lots of pics.
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KTPhil · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:20 pm Post subject:

There is some subtlety to this. Bearings and bushings came in several sizes. If the bearings are shot, then probably so is the torsion arm where it rides on the bearing. If you resurface that torsion arm, then you need undersize ID bearings and/or bushings.

You may find it better to locate another whole beam, and check it for non-worn arms and bearings first.

Also, squares are said to have a larger upper torsion bar (sway bar) than the earlies.

Mine were somewhat worn, but I repacked them and it works silently, without play, and smoothly. I have a second beam I plan to refurbish; hopefully it has intact bearings and arms!

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I smoothed them with emery cloth, filed off any high spots/ridges, then reinstalled them.

Max Welton · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:04 pm Post subject:

Well, I do have the 69 beam that has already donated its spindles to the cause. The beam itself is kind of beat up, but still complete.

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vlad01 · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:07 pm Post subject:

I have a very nice 70 beam with no external damage and is real smooth and tight as a fishes ass. even tapping the arms sideways with a mallet doesn't yield any movement.

came form a 70 notch that was last on the road in 1980.

Adriel Rowley · Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:29 pm Post subject:

So how long does it take to drop the old beam and install the replacement? There is a very slim chance I might have a garage for a few days.
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Mike Fisher · Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:37 pm Post subject:

1 hour!

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Adriel Rowley · Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:40 pm Post subject:

jimmynotch · Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:47 pm Post subject:

I have been keeping my eye open for a good beam to replace the worn out one in my notch. I think that will be a great time to do the Empi wide 5 mod too. As Adriel said, the re-install is gonna be the hard part.
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Max Welton · Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:55 pm Post subject:

OK, I got a problem. The ID of these NOS phenolics are too small for the OD of the trailing link.

The trailing link is from a 69 type-3 and has an OD of 1.499"

The phenolics are marked 311 401 311 and have an ID of 1.364"

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hazetguy · Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 1:48 pm Post subject:

marchi · Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 2:26 pm Post subject:

I have a beam that is takin apart just chilling in my garage, all i needed was the arms and spindles, tryin to figure out waht to do with the rest...
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Max Welton · Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 4:26 pm Post subject:

My Bentley says nothing about reaming...

hazetguy · Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 5:48 pm Post subject:

Max Welton · Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 6:06 pm Post subject:

You got me. What is that a page out of anyway?

The Bentley I have doesn't show it.

But if these are the correct bushings, it makes sense.

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hazetguy · Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 6:08 pm Post subject:

Max Welton · Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 6:14 pm Post subject:

Well now. That's gonna slow me down some.

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vlad01 · Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 4:29 am Post subject:

after much concern about the viability of my stashed beam which I assumed to be in excellent condition I went and checked.

after 15min of thumping with a block of wood. It was so tight!

another 10 min later.

where are these bakelite bushes? deeper inside where its all slippery?
(hell yes! lol I'm so dirty)

Wow no wonder this beam was so appealing to keep. came of a 70 notch which was off the road and not touched since 1980. was practically nothing left of the body. All rust and a 1 foot waterline inside the cabin lol.

Anyway looks like these were a well worth investment.
my new solid bump stop holders. Machined out of 52mm bar stock.

Mike Fisher · Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 5:06 am Post subject:

I think the "bakelight bushings" is the frame that is holding your needle bearings in place?
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