emu's engine rebuild - 71 Super

[ashman40]

The important thing is the brass ring is electrically connected to the metal of the steering wheel. Use your ohm meter to test this.

Just as the brown wire connected to the horn's negative (-) terminal is an extension of the terminal, the turn signal switch "brass ears", the brass ring, the steering wheel and the entire steering column are and extension of this terminal too.
The wire that comes from the steering box is the permanent ground. It comes out the top of the steering column and connects to the horn ring. When you press on the ring you make the ring contact the steering wheel which closes the horn switch.
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AshMan40
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'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD)
"stock" 1600 w/ 34 PICT-3 carb & S/A tranny

[emu88]

Ok. So if i get this for my steering wheel:
http://www.airheadparts.com/vintage-vw-parts/horn-...13415660-a

And this for my steering column:
http://www.machine7.com/product.php?xProd=3008

It should all work? The switch on the last link has only half of the brass ears, but should work right?
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1971 1302 1600 DP Super Beetle
Bocar 34-pict 3
SVDA Bosch distributor

[spanky324]

[emu88]

[ashman40]

Does your '71 SB have the wiper switch on the steering column? I thought the ' 71 was the last year for the dash mounted wiper switch?
That turn signal switch in your link is for the '72-later steering column with the wiper switch lever. If you use that turn signal lever in an earlier year steering column it will hit/interfere with the starting wheel. Later (US '72 onward) turn signal switches had deeper dished steering wheels that cleared the turn signal lever.
You want the '71-only turn signal switch that has loose wires, not the plastic connector. This was the transition year. '71 still used the '68-'70 steering wheel, but used the '71-onward horn wiring which used "brass ears" to maintain electrical contact with the steering wheel. Unless you have a different steering column?

What turn signal switch do you have on there now?

BTW, whether it has one or two "ears" doesn't make a difference. Functionally they ares the same.
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AshMan40
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'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD)
"stock" 1600 w/ 34 PICT-3 carb & S/A tranny

[Joel]

Ashman is right, your car uses the older hardwired style switch without the modular plug at the base

[emu88]

Bummer, the 71 only switch is like twice the price. It doesnt say for super beetles but i buess its the best one then. Thanks for the input. What about my ignition switch (few posts back)?
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1971 1302 1600 DP Super Beetle
Bocar 34-pict 3
SVDA Bosch distributor

[ashman40]

Ignition switch for '71 is again a one-year only item (at least from the US point of view), though all post-'71s that used the early style two spoke steering wheels (1200s and 1300s outside the US) probably had '71 steering column assemblies (at least mine does). It was the last year that would allow the early style steering wheels.

You have two choices:

buy and install the proper '71 ignition switch.

buy the later '72-'73 ignition switch (much cheaper). Cut the wires at the base of the old ignition switch (below the dash) and crimp on spade connectors and add heat shrink over the entire connector so they won't short on each other. Should look something like this:

You may not have the room to use the crimp on spades with plastic insulation. The heat shrink is "slimmer".

Once you have the female spades crimped in place and insulated, plug them onto the male spade terminals on the switch. You will need to make a small connector for the small terminal. I usually bend the normal size (0.25") female spade in half until it tightly grabs the terminal.

I plan to use option #2 if my ignition switch starts giving me trouble again.
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AshMan40
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'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD)
"stock" 1600 w/ 34 PICT-3 carb & S/A tranny

[emu88]

Thanks Ashman. Now I have confused my terminology and switches up. I need:

1.Turn signal switch
2.Plastic end with all the terminals for the ignition switch

So for the turn signal switch, if I understand correctly, I CANNOT get:

Switch, Indicator, Plug in connector, Bug / Beetle 72-, 1302 / 1303

because this is for models where the wipers are NOT controlled by the dash knob. So instead I need to get:


Switch, Indicator, With horn contacts, Bug / Beetle 71-

Is this correct? It's twice the price of the 72 onwards one







For the ignition switch, the barrel is fine on mine and the part where teh key goes in is okay apart from sometimes needing to wiggle the key for the gen and alt lights to come on. I have a crack in this part where the plastic is coming away and the spring inside keeps the split open:


It slides into the barrel fine and the barrel holds the split back in place, but my question is would this cause me needing to wobble the key in the ignition to get the gen and alt lights on? If not, then I will need to get a whole new ignition switch rather than just the plastic end bit.
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1971 1302 1600 DP Super Beetle
Bocar 34-pict 3
SVDA Bosch distributor

[ashman40]

[emu88]

You mean my steering wheel is not correct!?!? But this type was used up to 71 and 72 went to the plastic wheel, that's what I thought? Do you mean to say there were slight variations in the type up to 71 and because mine was from a 69 bug it isn't the correct one despite being the pre-plastic wheel?


From the ignition switches listed here the cheapest one is the plastic insert one for 72 onwards. It matches the cracked one I have currently:

http://www.machine7.com/search.php?xSearch=ign+switch&submit=Search

So I guess I have a 72 onward ignition switch installed on my beetle already, not the proper 71 one? Someone must have replaced it before then and chose the cheaper 72 onwards option. So I just need to but a new 72 onwards plastic switch and that's it...
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1971 1302 1600 DP Super Beetle
Bocar 34-pict 3
SVDA Bosch distributor

[ashman40]

[emu88]

[ashman40]

[emu88]

[emu88]

There is this item on ebay that is from a 1971 bug, but the owner says it might have been from a 1303 (impossible right for this type of wheel?) but definitely a Super.

It is different from the 1969 wheel I bought before in that the 69 one has a METAL tab, but this one is plastic and part of the cancelling ring. Is THIS the correct one for 1971 supers?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120895598726?ssPageName=...500wt_1287

It ends in 3 days!!
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1971 1302 1600 DP Super Beetle
Bocar 34-pict 3
SVDA Bosch distributor

[emu88]

Please!! Time's running out on the ebay steering wheel, I need some advice on my above detailed post!
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1971 1302 1600 DP Super Beetle
Bocar 34-pict 3
SVDA Bosch distributor

[mrbigmax]

That one should work. In 1972, VW switched to this type of steering wheel.

[emu88]

Yeah but I have a 71 Super! The 1969 wheel I bought fits but it is wrong for the horn contacts to work.

Edit: oops sorry, misunderstood your post. Ok so it should work. If I get a new turn signal switch though it would HAVE to be the 71 only type though right for it to work with the steering wheel?
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1971 1302 1600 DP Super Beetle
Bocar 34-pict 3
SVDA Bosch distributor

[emu88]

This is under the horn button of the ebay 1971 wheel. This is all good yes? Got the horn wire there too.


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1971 1302 1600 DP Super Beetle
Bocar 34-pict 3
SVDA Bosch distributor