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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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bally wrote: |
I have the later system that I am retro fitting into my 56. I am having a hell of a job fitting the vacuum tank in between the rear parcel shelf and the gear box (trans). Does anyone know if the area between the trans and parcel shelf got larger for the 63 model? It's very nearly there, but not quite. It seems to be fouling on the strengthening ribs on the underside of the shelf so it seems I may need to gring them back or fit the tank on top of the shelf behind the rear seats - has anyone else tried this? I don't have any pictures right now - I'll try to get some this weekend...
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Dave |
I'd imagine you may need to move it towards the front a but then. I have the early tear drop tank and since I'm running dual 28 pci carbs, it's going under the fender like and autostick _________________ Official 58-60 "Early Big Window" Convertible Thread & Registry
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426481
F&S Saxomat Automatic Clutch System Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
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bally Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 1182 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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guteandtite wrote: |
bally wrote: |
I have the later system that I am retro fitting into my 56. I am having a hell of a job fitting the vacuum tank in between the rear parcel shelf and the gear box (trans). Does anyone know if the area between the trans and parcel shelf got larger for the 63 model? It's very nearly there, but not quite. It seems to be fouling on the strengthening ribs on the underside of the shelf so it seems I may need to gring them back or fit the tank on top of the shelf behind the rear seats - has anyone else tried this? I don't have any pictures right now - I'll try to get some this weekend...
Cheers,
Dave |
I'd imagine you may need to move it towards the front a but then. I have the early tear drop tank and since I'm running dual 28 pci carbs, it's going under the fender like and autostick |
I'll have another go at it on Saturday but I'm really not confident it will fit in it really seems too big for the space available...
I'm hoping to have the refurbished unit back this week - I'll keep you posted.
Dave |
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
Joined: June 16, 2005 Posts: 2144 Location: Low So Cal
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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bally wrote: |
guteandtite wrote: |
bally wrote: |
I have the later system that I am retro fitting into my 56. I am having a hell of a job fitting the vacuum tank in between the rear parcel shelf and the gear box (trans). Does anyone know if the area between the trans and parcel shelf got larger for the 63 model? It's very nearly there, but not quite. It seems to be fouling on the strengthening ribs on the underside of the shelf so it seems I may need to gring them back or fit the tank on top of the shelf behind the rear seats - has anyone else tried this? I don't have any pictures right now - I'll try to get some this weekend...
Cheers,
Dave |
I'd imagine you may need to move it towards the front a but then. I have the early tear drop tank and since I'm running dual 28 pci carbs, it's going under the fender like and autostick |
I'll have another go at it on Saturday but I'm really not confident it will fit in it really seems too big for the space available...
I'm hoping to have the refurbished unit back this week - I'll keep you posted.
Dave |
what was your work around to fit this to the 36hp motor? _________________ Official 58-60 "Early Big Window" Convertible Thread & Registry
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426481
F&S Saxomat Automatic Clutch System Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
61-67 Delanair Air conditioning Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457944&highlight=air+conditioning
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RareAir Samba Member
Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 14576 Location: 18 miles North of the border
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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RareAir wrote: |
glutamodo wrote: |
Are you talking about this book from Flat-4? It's older than "early 90s" - I know a good friend of mine's father had a copy in 1987-88 or so.
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That's the book I have in my library. Look for a Black '60. Several pages of photos of it |
any way you could scan those pages Glenn? whats the ISBN # for that book?
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The ISBN # is 0-87701-357-8
I'll try scanning the pages within the next few days _________________ 1947 Typ 11a
1954 Typ 117
1956 Typ 151
1959 Typ 117
1959 Typ 265
1961 356B
1966 Typ 151
1966 Typ 241 |
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bally Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 1182 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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guteandtite wrote: |
what was your work around to fit this to the 36hp motor? |
I believe the guys found another seal that fitted perfectly. Hopefully I'll get it back in the next week then I can post pictures and a full description of what it takes.
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bally Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="guteandtite, found the gearshift one NOS for 40.00- kinda shocked, [/quote]
Where did you find this Bret - I could do with one too - mine is contaminated with oil
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
Joined: June 16, 2005 Posts: 2144 Location: Low So Cal
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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I think i realized the problem too with using the flat tank as well, in 60/61 the chassis changed as well as the rear body mounts, so for example to mount an oval on a later chassis, the body mounts must be cut off and moved up or shortened so to speak, there may be a change in the rear parcel shelf, but I dont believe so. in other words the panel may be the same, but sits slightly higher above the trans in a 61 and later car. this may account for your problem. your options are like you said, above the parcel shelf covered in carpet, pound down the tank in areas to make clearance so you dont have knocking everytime you shift, or make another tank to go elsewhere. _________________ Official 58-60 "Early Big Window" Convertible Thread & Registry
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426481
F&S Saxomat Automatic Clutch System Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
61-67 Delanair Air conditioning Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457944&highlight=air+conditioning
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bally Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:44 am Post subject: |
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guteandtite wrote: |
Hey Dave, any update on fitting the Saxomat up to your 36hp motor? |
Sorry for the delay in replying
I have everything back now but very little time to work on it. The next hurdle to overcome is end float. I have zero end float at present with two shims so need to investigate if this can be altered using more shims or if I need the 'flywheel' machined further...
Frustratingly I might not get to this until next year I'm afraid.
Cheers,
Dave |
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:57 am Post subject: |
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bally wrote: |
guteandtite wrote: |
Hey Dave, any update on fitting the Saxomat up to your 36hp motor? |
Sorry for the delay in replying
I have everything back now but very little time to work on it. The next hurdle to overcome is end float. I have zero end float at present with two shims so need to investigate if this can be altered using more shims or if I need the 'flywheel' machined further...
Frustratingly I might not get to this until next year I'm afraid.
Cheers,
Dave |
By end float are you referring to the crank shaft end play and the shims between the crankshaft and the flywheel? What modifications did
They end up doing to your flywheel to fit it to the 36hp crankshaft? I'm ready to mod mine now to work with my 36hp motor. _________________ Official 58-60 "Early Big Window" Convertible Thread & Registry
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426481
F&S Saxomat Automatic Clutch System Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
61-67 Delanair Air conditioning Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457944&highlight=air+conditioning
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bill may Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2003 Posts: 14160 Location: san diego,ca
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:32 am Post subject: |
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guteandtite wrote: |
I think i realized the problem too with using the flat tank as well, in 60/61 the chassis changed as well as the rear body mounts, so for example to mount an oval on a later chassis, the body mounts must be cut off and moved up or shortened so to speak, there may be a change in the rear parcel shelf, but I dont believe so. in other words the panel may be the same, but sits slightly higher above the trans in a 61 and later car. this may account for your problem. your options are like you said, above the parcel shelf covered in carpet, pound down the tank in areas to make clearance so you dont have knocking everytime you shift, or make another tank to go elsewhere. |
67 and older- no moving of mounts needed. a 52 zwitter body (i owned one for 18 years) will bolt direct onto 67 frame. in 68 was when mounts moved. _________________ Admin note: Bill Passed away - July, 2017
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bally Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 1182 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:37 am Post subject: |
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guteandtite wrote: |
bally wrote: |
guteandtite wrote: |
Hey Dave, any update on fitting the Saxomat up to your 36hp motor? |
Sorry for the delay in replying
I have everything back now but very little time to work on it. The next hurdle to overcome is end float. I have zero end float at present with two shims so need to investigate if this can be altered using more shims or if I need the 'flywheel' machined further...
Frustratingly I might not get to this until next year I'm afraid.
Cheers,
Dave |
By end float are you referring to the crank shaft end play and the shims between the crankshaft and the flywheel? What modifications did
They end up doing to your flywheel to fit it to the 36hp crankshaft? I'm ready to mod mine now to work with my 36hp motor. |
Yes, the end float adjusted by shims betweend the crank and the flywheel.
They simply machined new dowel holes in the Saxomat flywheel to suit the 30 horse application and sourced a narrower crank case oil seal - I have a spare at home so I'll get the spec off that later for you.
Most of the work they did was in metal spraying the tabs and machining them flat again. Holding the starting clutch disk whilst machingin was the biggest problem, they ended up weklding it to a plate to hold it steady which in turn caused some minor damage to the plate. I've had the overall thickness of these tabs set to 4mm which looks mighty thin. I feel I really do need to find a new plate at some point (starting clutch), preferably NOS but failing that a good used one.
Good luck,
Dave |
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Durby Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2011 Posts: 4 Location: Italy
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hi guys,
I have a question about Saxomat
which is the right measure of saxomat clutch disc?
is it 160mm or 180mm? |
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bally Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Durby wrote: |
Hi guys,
I have a question about Saxomat
which is the right measure of saxomat clutch disc?
is it 160mm or 180mm? |
It's 160mm Durby. I could do with a replacement myself as mine is contmainated with oil.
Cheers,
Dave |
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
Joined: June 16, 2005 Posts: 2144 Location: Low So Cal
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:30 am Post subject: |
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bally wrote: |
guteandtite wrote: |
bally wrote: |
guteandtite wrote: |
Hey Dave, any update on fitting the Saxomat up to your 36hp motor? |
Sorry for the delay in replying
I have everything back now but very little time to work on it. The next hurdle to overcome is end float. I have zero end float at present with two shims so need to investigate if this can be altered using more shims or if I need the 'flywheel' machined further...
Frustratingly I might not get to this until next year I'm afraid.
Cheers,
Dave |
By end float are you referring to the crank shaft end play and the shims between the crankshaft and the flywheel? What modifications did
They end up doing to your flywheel to fit it to the 36hp crankshaft? I'm ready to mod mine now to work with my 36hp motor. |
Yes, the end float adjusted by shims betweend the crank and the flywheel.
They simply machined new dowel holes in the Saxomat flywheel to suit the 30 horse application and sourced a narrower crank case oil seal - I have a spare at home so I'll get the spec off that later for you.
Most of the work they did was in metal spraying the tabs and machining them flat again. Holding the starting clutch disk whilst machingin was the biggest problem, they ended up weklding it to a plate to hold it steady which in turn caused some minor damage to the plate. I've had the overall thickness of these tabs set to 4mm which looks mighty thin. I feel I really do need to find a new plate at some point (starting clutch), preferably NOS but failing that a good used one.
Good luck,
Dave |
i have a nos sintered bronze disc and a nos clutch disc on their way to me.
ill let you know the measurement on the bronze pucks when it arrives so you can do it right next time. as for the 160mm clutch disc, any clutch place can reline that for you easily!!
so they didnt fill thegap around the crankshaft with weld and then machine it to 36hp specs? the only thing the dowel pins are supposed to do is keep the flywheel from spinning, not support centering forces. hmmm. did they turn down the out side of the flywheel to make the diameter smaller on the outside so it would be the same outer diameter as a 36hp flywheel? can you take pics and measurements of the mods? if possible, could you ask the guys about a part number and brand/ source they ordered the flywheel seal from so i can order some? _________________ Official 58-60 "Early Big Window" Convertible Thread & Registry
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426481
F&S Saxomat Automatic Clutch System Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
61-67 Delanair Air conditioning Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457944&highlight=air+conditioning
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bally Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:37 am Post subject: |
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Congratulations on scoring the clutch discs - I look forward to hearing what the thickness should be - that's frustrating that I've been trying to find that info for months then within a month of guessing the thickness you manage to find one - hopefully another will turn up as I think I could really do with one too...
Cheers,
Dave |
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:40 am Post subject: |
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bally wrote: |
Congratulations on scoring the clutch discs - I look forward to hearing what the thickness should be - that's frustrating that I've been trying to find that info for months then within a month of guessing the thickness you manage to find one - hopefully another will turn up as I think I could really do with one too...
Cheers,
Dave |
i dont know if congratulations are really in order as my wallet took a punch in the gut to get them! _________________ Official 58-60 "Early Big Window" Convertible Thread & Registry
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426481
F&S Saxomat Automatic Clutch System Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
61-67 Delanair Air conditioning Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457944&highlight=air+conditioning
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bally Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:46 am Post subject: |
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I'm sure you did. I'm keen to find something though as I'm not 100% confident in the one I have so hope something will come up... The long and the short of it is that if I can't get the Saxomat working I can't drive the car. Period.
Thanks for the update - I'll get photos and details of how mine looks over the weekend.
Cheers,
Dave |
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GüteAndTite Early Convertible Güru
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:54 am Post subject: |
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[quote="bally"]I'm sure you did. I'm keen to find something though as I'm not 100% confident in the one I have so hope something will come up... The long and the short of it is that if I can't get the Saxomat working I can't drive the car. Period.
Thanks for the update - I'll get photos and details of how mine looks over the weekend.
Cheers,
Dave[/quote
thank you Dave, would be cool to have someone take video from the back seat of the car driving! _________________ Official 58-60 "Early Big Window" Convertible Thread & Registry
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426481
F&S Saxomat Automatic Clutch System Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462533
61-67 Delanair Air conditioning Thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457944&highlight=air+conditioning
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