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Snort Samba Member
Joined: April 02, 2005 Posts: 1957 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 7:40 pm Post subject: Leaking 28 PCI - Solved |
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Today I discovered a solution to a leaking 28 PCI which has baffled me for a long time.
Whenever you look for ideas on leaking carburetors here, the common solutions are fuel pressure, float valve, rebush throttle shaft.
Well the last one is really not a cause of leaking carburetors but rather more like a canary in the coal mine, where you can actually see that there is a problem somewhere, but worn throttle shafts do not cause fuel to leak, they show the results of a fuel leak just as a dead canary shows that you have a problem with the air you are breathing down in that mine, and you'd better get out quickly.
Fuel pressure and float valves are valid sources of leaks, but when you've eliminated those two problems, what can be left?
Emulsion tube housing. The emulsion tube housing is a press fit into the carburetor body. If you have a cracked or loose fitting emulsion tube housing, it can slowly drain the fuel from the float chamber until the level of the float chamber is equal to the height of the hole in the carb body where the housing fits.
Today I reset my emulsion tube housing using blue Locktite, hoping it would be strong enough to lock it in and seal the leak, and weak enough to allow removal down the road if I need it. Other suggestions are welcome.
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Mr Bubble Head Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2004 Posts: 56 Location: Victoria Australia
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 4:45 am Post subject: |
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I'de change the float needle valve I bet its sticking every now and then, causeing fuel to feed into the carb under pressure from the weight of fuel in your tank |
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Flavio Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2008 Posts: 414 Location: Madeira Island, Portugal
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:52 am Post subject: |
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Snort.
This thread has about two years old, but I'm interested about your result with the Blue Loctite at the emulsion tube housing .
Did it work ?
Thanks
Flavio |
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Snort Samba Member
Joined: April 02, 2005 Posts: 1957 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:57 am Post subject: |
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Blue loctite worked for a while but I changed it to Seal-All and that is still holding up. (Small yellow tube) |
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Flavio Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2008 Posts: 414 Location: Madeira Island, Portugal
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the information. I've never seen the Seal-all product over here... but I have a tube of Loctite 577 that is fuel proof. Will try it. |
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747frieghtdog Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2007 Posts: 215 Location: JAX, FL
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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How do you get to the emulsion tube. Isnt it buried in the cast tube? _________________ 55 Oval |
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747frieghtdog Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2007 Posts: 215 Location: JAX, FL
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Figured it out.... _________________ 55 Oval |
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mr matt Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2005 Posts: 819 Location: southeast Pa
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:29 am Post subject: |
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when you are saying leaking, what do you mean? Is it my symptoms - If the car sits, say for a week ( could be a couple days) the engine has to crank over and over and over, to apparently fill the carb bowl, then the car starts... is this what you were experiencing?
Thanks
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Snort Samba Member
Joined: April 02, 2005 Posts: 1957 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:50 am Post subject: |
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mr matt, I think you're experiencing fuel evaporation from your float chamber, but it could be exacerbated by a leak.
Typically, what I've experienced with a leaking emulsion tube is you drive until the motor is warm. Then you stop for 5-15 minutes. When you start the motor, it stumbles as it's flooded from the fuel flowing out of the float chamber and into the cylinders. In my case I could also smell the fuel as I walked by the rear of the car. |
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mr matt Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2005 Posts: 819 Location: southeast Pa
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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, I do have a different issue. I know someone else who had the same problem as I did, sent his carb away to be rebuilt and no longer had the issue. Guess it is time for a rebuild, but especially wanted to focus in on the problem area that causes this.
Thanks again! |
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NikC Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2005 Posts: 63 Location: Zillertal Valley
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:52 am Post subject: |
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747frieghtdog wrote: |
Figured it out.... |
Share the love ! |
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747frieghtdog Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2007 Posts: 215 Location: JAX, FL
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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NikC wrote: |
747frieghtdog wrote: |
Figured it out.... |
Share the love ! |
Gently wiggle the emulsion tube and pull out at the same time.
Its just a press fit.
If you require pliers on them, "gently" use them, its soft metal. _________________ 55 Oval |
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henry roberts Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2003 Posts: 1275 Location: australia
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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if you pull the air correction jet out, be gentle when you screw it back in. I might be unlucky but about 1/2 the PCI's I have, have cracks in the carrier from people over tightening the jet. |
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Captain Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2013 Posts: 37 Location: Oklahoma
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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I have a 28 pci that has the top of the tube broke because of over tightening. What can I do. Replace tube? Who sells the correst one? Thanks |
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Danwvw Samba Member
Joined: July 31, 2012 Posts: 8892 Location: Oregon Coast
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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PICT 28's are a great little carb. I got some great gas Milage with mine even on a 1641cc sp with a W-100 cam it performed excellent! I would just find a used one check here on the samba or e-bay or cregs-list. I just found a whole bunch of 1600 DP Doghouse parts on Cregs List.
I think mine had this problem. The throttle shafts all leak but only when the car is stopped. That must be when the gas comes around. Could explain gas in the oil in cold weather too! Good to Know! _________________ 1960 Beetle And 1679cc DP W-100 & Dual Zeniths! |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69813 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Strato56 Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2002 Posts: 265 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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mr matt wrote: |
when you are saying leaking, what do you mean? Is it my symptoms - If the car sits, say for a week ( could be a couple days) the engine has to crank over and over and over, to apparently fill the carb bowl, then the car starts... is this what you were experiencing?
Thanks
Matt |
mr matt, did you ever figure out what this was? My car is doing the exact same thing after a carb rebuild and I'm not sure where the float bowl is leaking. Thanks! |
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ecallaway Samba Member
Joined: April 14, 2020 Posts: 164 Location: Encinitas, California
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Mr Bubble Head wrote: |
I'de change the float needle valve I bet its sticking every now and then, causeing fuel to feed into the carb under pressure from the weight of fuel in your tank |
Thanks to this comment from 11 years ago I think I understand the source of the carb leak from the 28PCI in my 55 bug. After a rebuild it leaks. I have had trouble finding the source but after reading this I realized that it had gradually gotten better as I was driving and then yesterday when I filled the tank it got really bad again. Seems that with the tank full there is more pressure from the weight of the gas. Will report back on whether this is the problem .... |
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ecallaway Samba Member
Joined: April 14, 2020 Posts: 164 Location: Encinitas, California
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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ecallaway wrote: |
Mr Bubble Head wrote: |
I'de change the float needle valve I bet its sticking every now and then, causeing fuel to feed into the carb under pressure from the weight of fuel in your tank |
Thanks to this comment from 11 years ago I think I understand the source of the carb leak from the 28PCI in my 55 bug. After a rebuild it leaks. I have had trouble finding the source but after reading this I realized that it had gradually gotten better as I was driving and then yesterday when I filled the tank it got really bad again. Seems that with the tank full there is more pressure from the weight of the gas. Will report back on whether this is the problem .... |
Found the old float needle valve and it is substantially different than the new one that came in my rebuild kit. Notably, the needle is much longer (see pics) so I suspect that the float is not able to completely shut it off either because of the extra weight or because it gets stuck at an angle where the float can not get enough leverage to overcome the side torque.
I put the old valve back in and will report on whether this fixes it.
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Snort Samba Member
Joined: April 02, 2005 Posts: 1957 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Leaking 28 PCI - Solved |
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Snort wrote: |
Today I reset my emulsion tube housing using blue Locktite, hoping it would be strong enough to lock it in and seal the leak, and weak enough to allow removal down the road if I need it. Other suggestions are welcome. |
I had forgotten about this topic.
The blue Locktite didn't hold up. I switched to Seal-All contact adhesive and sealant and it's been fine ever since. |
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