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RanX0R0X
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| Glenn wrote: |
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| With EFI you might gain a tiny bit of power. If your running carbs your wasting your money on all that hi-tech electronics. |
I agree. |
For me it wasn't a matter of gaining power. It was gaining the stability and eliminating variables from the tuning of the engine.
It helped me considerably as I was having problems that seemed to be both from fuel delivery and ignition. I'm not an aircooled Guru like you guys so running down a multivariate problem like that was going to be difficult. It's difficult in software engineering where I've been working for over 20 years and know the "smells" of code failures.
One criticism that has been leveled at the electronics is that they are fail fast. That is, if a capacitor pops and lets its smoke out, the ignition quits working. I'd rather have that then chugging and bogging or dying when I'm accelerating and not not knowing why.
If the electronic dizzy is working, its going to be pretty dead on and I can always plug into it and monitor it directly. If I have any sort of problem I can pretty quickly "look" at the ignition and tell if it is a problem.
After I put this in I still had some problems but they weren't as severe. The car didn't bog down. What was required was some tuning and work on the Del 40's and a friend kindly helped with those.
Power? As you suggest, there are likely better ways to get that. The only thing I want the electronic ignition for is stability. |
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miniman82
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[quote="craigman"]Yes i know, but your board has no moving parts and it wore out.[quote]
You're confusing my fuel injection computer for my ignition system, they have nothing in common besides 2 wires. If you want to split hairs, it failed because of an overvoltage condition over a long period of time (years). Had it not happened, I would never have known about an issue with the alternator.
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| That was my point. Things can and do wear out even parts that are non-moving parts. |
My point stands, the ignition is bulletproof. I would trust EDIS 1,000 times before I'd ever go back to caveman style points.
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I just wanted to bitch but I'm getting no sympathy. |
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craigman
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, good old 009 for me also. And an extra set of points and condensor!  |
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JasonBaker
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Yes i know, but your board has no moving parts and it wore out. That was my point.
Things can and do wear out even parts that are non-moving parts. |
My only complaint about solid state equipment(non-moving parts) is that they usually fail without any warning, that's why I keep that POS .009 as a spare. I really thought the negitive info about the .009 was just BS until now.
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craigman
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Yes i know, but your board has no moving parts and it wore out. That was my point.
Things can and do wear out even parts that are non-moving parts. |
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miniman82
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| wasn't it you that not to long ago had kept having injector problems and then to come to find out you had a problem with your electronic board? |
We're talking ignition parts here, try to keep up.
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I just wanted to bitch but I'm getting no sympathy. |
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Tbirdusa
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I just love the gadgets. I wanted to get the digital but it wasn't advised. I'm sure as soon as the bugs are worked out between the digital distributor and the quick tune are hammered out, I'll go that route. Or crank triggered
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RockCrusher
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Spare parts are for systems prone to fail. Mine never will, since there's nothing to wear out.  |
Proximity sensors go bad. Just ask anyone who ever had a crank or cam position sensor or ABS sensor fail on a modern car.
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craigman
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Hey mini,
wasn't it you that not to long ago had kept having injector problems and then to come to find out you had a problem with your electronic board? |
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Glenn 
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| miniman82 wrote: |
| Spare parts are for systems prone to fail. Mine never will, since there's nothing to wear out. |
What's the fun in that?
So you're saying that electronics never fail? Seriously?
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miniman82
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Spare parts are for systems prone to fail. Mine never will, since there's nothing to wear out.
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I just wanted to bitch but I'm getting no sympathy. |
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Glenn
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| I can't even get wiper blades locally. |
Just cut a long one in half, like everyone else. |
No need... i have a spare set. Just like I have spare cap/rotor/points/condenser in case i need them.
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miniman82
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| I can't even get wiper blades locally. |
Just cut a long one in half, like everyone else.
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I just wanted to bitch but I'm getting no sympathy. |
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JasonBaker
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| and the .010 has limited resources for parts and is difficult to find. |
So you can go to any NAPA and get the cap and rotor for the Magnaspark?
If availability of parts is the deciding factor, i should get rid of my VW since I can't even get wiper blades locally.
BTW, i'm not knocking the product.
And YES, since its programmable it can be moved from engine to engine to engine. It's IS a "one size fits all". |
I dont know, haven't tried. Really, you can't get wipers. I know it's wierd, But I shaved mine off. I got really happy with a welder. But nobody can rag my ass for having that clear distributor cap I loved so much.  And BTW, I keep that awful .009 in the trunk in case the electronic gizmo ever dies. |
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Glenn
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| and the .010 has limited resources for parts and is difficult to find. |
So you can go to any NAPA and get the cap and rotor for the Magnaspark?
If availability of parts is the deciding factor, i should get rid of my VW since I can't even get wiper blades locally.
BTW, i'm not knocking the product.
And YES, since its programmable it can be moved from engine to engine to engine. It's IS a "one size fits all".
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JasonBaker
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It sure as hell was overkill on my little mouse motor. But I wouldn't go back to an 009 for love or money. This stands out in my mind. It's someone's sig line. "Contrary to popular belief the .010 is not the sliced bread of distributors." I think all of you in here so far have far greater knowledge and experience than myslef. But the .009 is a POS. and the .010 has limited resources for parts and is difficult to find. And, No I dont need a link to the classifieds. The magnaspark is scalable to the size of the engine. When I build a bigger motor I adjust the curve. My only complaint is it came with vacum plates for dual carbs and I had to have my single carb intakes machined. So far I have installed and it has allowed me to dial in the carbs so much better. I haven't played much with the spark table, but if you have the $404 to have it delivered to your door, It's damn well worth it. You guys are complaining about a before and after run. Well put up or shut up. Run your shit with the crank trigger on the dyno and then put the magnaspark in and see what it will do... Oh and can the crank trigger be controlled via internet. Oh that's right, you'll all say you dont need that if you know what your doing....
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Pat D
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| With EFI you might gain a tiny bit of power. If your running carbs your wasting your money on all that hi-tech electronics. |
You might hold that thought until you actually drive a carbed car controlling timing. A dyno is not going to show driveability gains, fuel mileage gains only H-P gains. What is nice with the digital distributor is having the capability to have timing where you need it and less where you do not, like cruising verses WOT. The internal rev limiters and data logging are very nice features also. I have a guy racing in a Pan American race. When he gets into Mexico, he will be forced to run their gas. I made him a "mexican" timing map for their fuel. When he fills up, he is going to remove the distributor cap and select the mexican fuel timing map and drive off. |
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Glenn
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 3:48 am Post subject: |
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OK, let me rephrase: people who are not curmudgeonly old geezers are coming around.
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"Hey you kids, get off the grass".
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Mooosman
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Digital Distributor |
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| MagnaSpark has a distributor that is digital. You can fine tune to your own spec's. Any opinions? Worth it? Thanks |
Might as well go with Megajolt ignition for that kind of money. Crank triggered, and more accurate than ANY distributor can ever be (no moving parts, no parts to wear out, and no drive gear slop to change your timing).
Infinitely tunable through a laptop, and takes off the shelf Ford EDIS ignition parts. It's a great setup:
http://www.autosportlabs.net/MegaJolt_Lite_Jr.
Someone even makes a readymade pulley that has been modified with the trigger wheel, though I don't have the website handy.
Nick
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miniman82
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OK, let me rephrase: people who are not curmudgeonly old geezers are coming around.
If you leave yourself open, I'm goona go for it!
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