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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's about honor and respect for a couple of guys working hard and thinking of innovative ways to serve a niche market, not consumer protection, in this case that's a loop hole.

Nice f'n bumpers, closest yet to what I'd buy. Love the part where they justify the purchase of a welder and provide a great learning project. Brilliant, a new generation looking for new ways to do business, creating win-wins.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whafalia wrote:
It's about honor and respect for a couple of guys working hard and thinking of innovative ways to serve a niche market, not consumer protection, in this case that's loophole



There's working hard, and then there is working smart. They are not the same.
I like their product, not their business model.

If they could make 70 units at $344 why don't they just buck up and make them. Do they really think they couldn't sell 70 units?? They wouldnt even have to finance the full 70 units, just the last 46 ( at their raw cost too) Because if they do, they should have never bothered in the first place. How many hours are already dumped into R&D? Even $344 at DIY is kind of $pendy when compared to the competitors offerings.

Again, looks like a nice product with a shitty marketing plan....... Great products and ideas often sunk with bad marketing.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toomuchbuzzkill wrote:
whafalia wrote:
It's about honor and respect for a couple of guys working hard and thinking of innovative ways to serve a niche market, not consumer protection, in this case that's loophole



There's working hard, and then there is working smart. They are not the same.
I like their product, not their business model.

If they could make 70 units at $344 why don't they just buck up and make them. Do they really think they couldn't sell 70 units?? They wouldnt even have to finance the full 70 units, just the last 46 ( at their raw cost too) Because if they do, they should have never bothered in the first place. How many hours are already dumped into R&D? Even $344 at DIY is kind of $pendy when compared to the competitors offerings.

Again, looks like a nice product with a shitty marketing plan....... Great products and ideas often sunk with bad marketing.

If you didn't like it why did you buy into it?
This is not the place to discuss bostigs business plan.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you didn't like it why did you buy into it?
This is not the place to discuss bostigs business plan.


A. In hopes others would buy in also and we all get a good product at a good price.

If I don't, the price is higher for everyone.
If I go in, then I'm helping bring the price closer to it becoming a reality.

If it ends up the price is ridiculous compared to my other options, I'll look at my other options again.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW.

It's the perfect forum to discuss all our vendors business. That's how we learn who to do business with and who to stay away from. It's called sharing opinions.

Or are we only allowed to share positive opinions here? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toomanyveedubs wrote:
BTW.

It's the perfect forum to discuss all our vendors business. That's how we learn who to do business with and who to stay away from. It's called sharing opinions.

Or are we only allowed to share positive opinions here? Rolling Eyes
The title of this thread is "bostig bumper?" not let's post our opnion on Bostig as a company.
And I think your wrong about this being the perfect forum. If you have buyer or seller feedback then take it over here.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewforum.php?f=14
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't feedback because I haven't bought yet. What I have is an opinion about the bumper (which I have a deposit for) and how I think they are not doing the best job bringing it to market. [/b]
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These guys are the smartest guys in town. They get a commitment to purchase before they shell out business money. Since when is it a smart business move to grow a pair and plunk down a large some of cash and hope for the best?

Beautiful business plan, you buy in if you are interested, you don't if your not. And they don't have extra money tied in taking up resources (space and money). Lots of people call or walk into a shop and say they would love to buy the product or they interested in a product. That is not reason enough to get excited and blow capital on a hunch.

I want the bumper, but i cant get in unless i know for sure i am going to pay under 400. If that means i can't get in, so be it.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

20 bucks? Laughing

Thats a "waiting list" fee in most parts.. Goes towards maintaining email lists, issuing updates and progress reports.
Usually non-refundable.
That stuff doesn't come free, ya know.. especially to smaller businesses.

$20 CANNOT be a deposit. Not on semi-custom, short-run product. A "depost" would typically be 25-50% of total.

Its a bit disengenuous to suggest, otherwise.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WandS wrote:
Beautiful business plan


I couldn't agree more.

Go Bostig go Exclamation
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Define large sum?

Hardly the case. They already made a commitment in R&D for this product. That wasn't free...

You are proof that they aren't doing a good job marketing it

You said you would buy it for $400. That should have been the mark to hit from the start.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

j_dirge wrote:
20 bucks? Laughing

Thats a "waiting list" fee in most parts.. Goes towards maintaining email lists, issuing updates and progress reports.
Usually non-refundable.
That stuff doesn't come free, ya know.. especially to smaller businesses.

$20 CANNOT be a deposit. Not on semi-custom, short-run product. A "depost" would typically be 25-50% of total.

Its a bit disengenuous to suggest, otherwise.



You are correct, not really a deposit but a place in line showing my interest in their product.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

400 is what i have for a bumper, not what i think there product should be priced at. Two different things.

All my money went on my bostig install, which has been incredible so far.

As a matter of fact, i can't get a bumper i would like for 400.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They already indicated they could have them made for under $400 (@ 70 units) and u said u would get one if it was $400.

All I'm saying us they would sell more at $400 than $750. Way more.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stumbled upon this update:
http://bostig.com/index.php?option=com_content&...Itemid=254

"4-5-2012 - Removed old pricing information - standby for new conventional sales model and pricing! Current deposit holders can have their $20 deposits returned or turned into $50 coupons for the NFB as soon as we're ready to start selling (est. 4-15-2012)"

Looks like they scrapped the old pricing model Rolling Eyes And they might be for sale any day now! Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

highsierra wrote:
Stumbled upon this update:
http://bostig.com/index.php?option=com_content&...Itemid=254

"4-5-2012 - Removed old pricing information - standby for new conventional sales model and pricing! Current deposit holders can have their $20 deposits returned or turned into $50 coupons for the NFB as soon as we're ready to start selling (est. 4-15-2012)"

Looks like they scrapped the old pricing model Rolling Eyes And they might be for sale any day now! Cool


I was pretty quick to sign up for the NFB, being a Bostig lover and all. My initial deposit was the beginning of Dec 2011, and I've been sending them emails whenever a time-frame comes and goes.

My last email from Bostig was on March 14th, 2011.. (see below). I emailed them directly on April 14th (as the ticket system stopped working for me), but I never heard back. Apparently they decided to just up the website with the post @highsierra re-posted.

== LAST EMAIL FROM BOSTIG ON MARCH 14 2011 == wrote:


To NFB Group 1 members,

First of all I would like to apologize for the delay in this information.

We're going to be revamping the pricing system. We found it
ended up confusing more people than we thought. Therefore,
for better or worse, we will be moving back to a standard pricing
system.

As it stands now, it looks like the DIY kit cost will be lower than the
34 person group price, and the Finished bumper will be more than
it's target price.

Anyone who has placed a $20 buy-in will receive a $50 discount
on their purchase. Since we've changed the pricing model,
anyone who would like a refund of their deposit shall receive one
when we release the pricing.

The Purchase Page will be going up in the next 2-3 weeks. The
fluidity of the date is due to two factors, I'm awaiting the latest
version of the NFB mount to arrive, as I've made some more revs
to it, and as some of you have heard Bostig is moving to a new
facility! (over the next two weeks...) So things are pretty hectic
around here, but very exciting.

If you have more questions, please feel free to email or call us,
and I will be happy to keep you posted as we get closer to the
release date.

Thanks everyone, have a great week, and sorry again about the
delay,



I hope it happens, as I really like the DIY style of the bumper. However, they must be having some production issues over there at Bostig, as I've had an order in for the 2010 cradle/skidplate since the beginning of Dec (over 5 months ago) and it's still not ready. Not very happy about that, but since it was just a deposit; I can't complain too much (I guess).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got the following update from NATE at Bostig. Interesting, in regards to the rear-bumper. I think this is the first time they've seriously talked about offering a rear-bumper too...

Nate @ Bostig wrote:

Hey NFB Group

It has been a while since our last update to you so I wanted to touch base again.
I finally got all parts in, and got the kit stuff done I needed to get done this week
sat down to tack up and test fit the last prototype of the NFB.

About an hour in I realized one of the parts in the batch was incorrect, an old revision.
This will set us back about a week and a half while my supplier rushes me the correct
revisions of the part.

I'm pretty bummed out.

That being said I also wanted to let people know that we are moving forward with (2)
different style rear bumpers (which we will let you vote on) and a more compact version
of the NFB. Images of these will be released with the buy-in page for the NFB.

Sorry again for the delays I'm burning the wick at both ends keeping up with projects at the
moment, and with Brady in school and Jim out with back problems the last week or so things
have slowed down here development wise.

I'll keep you posted and sorry that this is disappointing news.
Always feel free to call or email us with questions or concerns.

Thanks,

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody have an update on this bumper? Is it dead?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last update from their website (in June) said they were going to do one more prototype iteration.

It also said they were hoping to head to production by July, so.....
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man who knows?!?!

Bostig has so wishy/washy on the bumper project that I doubt it will ever come out of prototype.

The latest blurb was called the "NFC-C" in late SEP 2012:
http://www.bostig.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=260

.. but given the lack of any real progress or information over the past year (my deposit was put down in Dec 2011) and the fact it took over 6 months and *lots* of emails to get my 2010 Cradle/Skidplate; I'd say there's something up at Bostig and they've drastically reduced their work-output; to this end, I've heard one guy (Brady, I believe) is going back to school.

...My guess is that Bostig has serviced most of the after-market interest in the Zectec to Vanagon owners, the orders are only a trickle of their previous rate, 2003 Ford Focus cars are over 10 years old now and the new-crate-market has practically dried up.

.. without a new revenue path, I think we're looking at the "new" Bostig, which just doesn't have the money or energy to progress into new markets (ie BUMPERS).

Luckily, my 84 "Pre-Runner" Bostig Westy is running like a champ with about 15k miles; with the exception of the adaptor-plate and installation help, you just don't need Bostig post-install. So it doesn't matter much if they only do the kit.
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