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kme9418 Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2003 Posts: 277 Location: San Antonio, TX
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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No dyno chart because I just bought the longblock and assembled the rest myself. ACE didn't have any tin on it when they started it up with my carbs and distributor to check for leaks, etc. so they didn't do a dyno pull on it. As for the carbs and header size...Art Thraen said it ran like a sewing machine when they cranked it up so who am I to argue with him? Carbs and exhaust size were specified by him. He has built this combo plenty and estimates mine to be about 120hp/130tq. That is roughly the same power/weight as my BMW 330i so I'm cool with that. I haven't run it yet because it still sits as you see it. Hope to install soon. _________________ KME9418
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bbus Samba Member
Joined: October 22, 2006 Posts: 48 Location: six feet under
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:32 am Post subject: |
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what is the average price, or price range that these builders will charge for their services to assemble the engine? |
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kme9418 Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2003 Posts: 277 Location: San Antonio, TX
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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My specs are above. Longblock ONLY was $4,682 with all the best parts. Yes, you can buy a turnkey for that with cheaper parts. As Glenn always says, "Cheap, Fast, Reliable...you can pick 2". _________________ KME9418
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Prices depend on the shop. Some have a dozen unnamed people building engines while others have one or two and there's a good chance the owner builds them.
It also depends on the level of precision. More time, costs more.
BTW... it takes me 16 hours to "assemble" a stock 1600 turnkey. That's starting with all machined and cleaned parts. A performance engine will require more time. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
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bbus Samba Member
Joined: October 22, 2006 Posts: 48 Location: six feet under
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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ya thanks, i understand.
but 4682 for an assembled long block seems like a good price since my parts list alone is more than that.
maybe i just like the good stuff... |
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chacho_25 Samba Member
Joined: February 04, 2011 Posts: 69
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:34 am Post subject: |
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But can one buy a turnkey engine from one of the above named engine builder with good parts. Also what about east coast builders. My problem is that I'm outside of the US, in the Caribbean so I don't really have any parts would have to order almost everything from the US anyways so it seems like a better way is to just buy a turnkey engine. But want a quality build. |
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Stanagon Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2003 Posts: 4186 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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I noticed a few posts looking for east coast builders. I can highly recommend Gary at Suburban Engine (www.suburbanengine.com) in Waltham, MA. Gary formerly built engines with Boston Bob (rip) at Boston Engine. He specializes in stock motors for Type 1 applications, 2.0L bus air-cooled engines and 2.1L water-boxer van engines. He also builds a 1700cc mild stroker motor for a little more umphh in your bus. He is the only engine builder I prefer and use regularly at my own shop, Stan's Classic Service in Natick, MA. I have never had any of his longblocks come back with any problems.
I personally drive two vintage VWs with motors that Gary assembled for me while he was with Boston Engine. The 1600cc dual port in my '65 panel bus has 20,000 trouble-free miles and the 1600cc single port in my '61 microbus has 15,000 trouble-free miles. Both still run strong and I expect them to last for many more miles. Suburban Engine is also listed here on the Samba in the Community>Businesses section. _________________ Stan's Classic Service, specializing in air-cooled VWs:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=614073
www.stanagon.com
My '61 Mango bus thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110367
My '64 vert thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=386344
My '71 squareback thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=637709 |
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Kevinx Samba Member
Joined: November 08, 2012 Posts: 186 Location: Gainesville Florida
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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bbus wrote: |
ya thanks, i understand.
but 4682 for an assembled long block seems like a good price since my parts list alone is more than that.
maybe i just like the good stuff... |
Same thing I keep thinking. |
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TCS_58 Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2012 Posts: 9 Location: Perth, W.A
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:16 am Post subject: |
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Has anyone heard much about Strictly Foreign? Their prices are extremely good for what you get, especially with the stroker combinations they offer. I've just sent an email of to Chico but figured I should at least shop around a little.. |
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subwayaz Samba Member
Joined: March 08, 2011 Posts: 304 Location: NC
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:59 am Post subject: |
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I have found this thread to be very interesting and knowing that there are few good craftsman engine builders out there and being away from the little cars for awhile nice to read again about a few of the best and comments. Hey there not cheap anymore might as well spend your bucks on the best and not twice with the rest. |
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kme9418 Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2003 Posts: 277 Location: San Antonio, TX
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:55 am Post subject: |
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TCS_58 wrote: |
Has anyone heard much about Strictly Foreign? Their prices are extremely good for what you get, especially with the stroker combinations they offer. I've just sent an email of to Chico but figured I should at least shop around a little.. |
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=210011&highlight=strictly _________________ KME9418
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12467
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Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
Prices depend on the shop. Some have a dozen unnamed people building engines while others have one or two and there's a good chance the owner builds them.
It also depends on the level of precision. More time, costs more.
BTW... it takes me 16 hours to "assemble" a stock 1600 turnkey. That's starting with all machined and cleaned parts. A performance engine will require more time. |
The first shop I worked at took the cars in around seven AM. Taking a short lunch around a half hour and using already cleaned and prepped parts we had them ready to drive around 5.30 PM. If align boring was not required. These came with 6 month 6,000 mile warranty and we had a good reputation w/ very few comebacks. 98 percent of our work was stock rebuilds. Many of us toiled in obscurity during the 70s and 80s with a lot of the independents going
away during the 1990s. About a year ago a very good friend of mine died and he had built thousands of engines during a career that spanned from 1970 to 2010. He taught us things that are unknown to most of you here . Within the last ten years half a dozen of my good VW friends have passed away including a master transaxle builder well known to some here. Bill Shanks R.I.P.
Now I am having health issues of my own which is why I don't post here anymore . Goodbye and Good luck to you all
Jim |
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fourtravis Samba Member
Joined: February 04, 2013 Posts: 25 Location: Merritt Island, Fl
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 1:55 pm Post subject: High Performance builder |
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I'm in South Carolina and looking for a good high performance builder. Can someone help me out.
Thanks
Greg |
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RHough Samba Member
Joined: May 12, 2013 Posts: 299 Location: Canada
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72Justin Samba Member
Joined: May 29, 2013 Posts: 1 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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I've been perusing these forums on and off for a few months now and I think I've decided on getting a 2110 for my 72 bug. I'm 24 and it was handed down to me from my father and has basically been a lifelong restoration for us, though he has his own 68.
I had been thinking of ordering a turnkey from mofoco but after a lot of reading I think I should go with a custom build. I'm looking for something I can drive daily in the summer.
Anyone know any good builders around the Grand Rapids, or West Michigan area? |
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Tonyorlo Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2013 Posts: 182 Location: Glen dale wv
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know if this company is considered a builder, but I figured I'd ask. I'm looking at gex international long block for my ghia. Any opinions on them? I'd really like to take a stab at building the engine myself. Im not sure how stout the engine from them is? |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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Tonyorlo wrote: |
I don't know if this company is considered a builder, but I figured I'd ask. I'm looking at gex international long block for my ghia. Any opinions on them? I'd really like to take a stab at building the engine myself. Im not sure how stout the engine from them is? |
You'd have better luck dumping the parts in a cement mixer than have GEX build an engine for you.
Do a search of the feedback topic and you'll fin they are crap. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
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Tonyorlo Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2013 Posts: 182 Location: Glen dale wv
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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The price seemed too good. Mid America has some decent price crate engines,
Same quality I assume? Maybe I should go for it and build the engine myself. |
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vdubwizard Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2008 Posts: 52 Location: Palomar Mountain, Calif
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Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:07 am Post subject: GEX, |
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You were told about them, (GEX)if it fits and turns they sell it with 30 days, good luck! Do it your self with a reputable builder selling parts and you can still find deals on Samba and Craigs list, even work your own heads from reading books, and asking q's! G-Man _________________ Please use <vdubwizard> for all messages, Big foot does not work correctly? Long rod Engines slow the piston down at TDC and BDC to let more flow and less angle to the pistons which helps the engine to last longer, less wear, and move the power band up the scale a bit. |
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Midwest aircooled Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2001 Posts: 326 Location: St.Louis, MO
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:57 am Post subject: |
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If your in the Midwest and looking for quality engine work and/or machine work, Midwest Air-Cooled does it all in house. I have over 17 years of engine building experience, and we have a full machine shop in house. We are in the St.Louis area
We do everything from stock 36hp engines to 2332cc turbo engines for street, strip, or off road. We also build type 4 engines for late Busses. We do all the machine work in house, and I build each engine from start to finish, one at a time, for your application. Engines are offered as a short block, long block, or complete turn key started/tuned.
The 2332 turbo engine in my car made over 300 hp to the wheels, and I drive it on the street, to and from work and around town, it doesn't run hot, and fits under the decklid. It can be done, and we do it! Check out the facebook page (facebook.com/midwestaircooled) for pictures of current engine builds, shop projects, along with customer reviews and feedback on our work. (The page is public so you don't have to be a member of facebook to look at it.)
Jason _________________ 1972 Bug 2332cc turbo, all under the decklid and 400+ rwhp, street driven!
Featured in Hot VWs Dec 2010
1957 Oval window Rag, Cover car, summer issue Volksamerica Magazine
Midwest Air-Cooled & Machine
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