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| BTW I like my hydo lifters in the 77 |
Yup, I'll second that emotion. Hydro issues are symptomatic of bigger / other problems. Mine are great.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Matt - send it off like Dan said. Especialy since you got the $ back from the other guy! Just make sure they do a complete check again of components BEFORE they assemble.
BTW I like my hydo lifters in the 77 but dont mind the solids in the 74 at all. I think you should make a choice based on practicality. And a practical man would continue the path he chose already 
Or you can be that stupid flip floppy guy with more $ than franken cents  |
thanks for the input.. not flip floppy at all and definetly dont have more money than sense. I just finished watching the bug me video and the amount of damage to the hydro cam was amazing, exspecially the number one lobe. and the fact of the matter is i have to replace the cam any ways so since i have to buy new cam and lifters the only other thing to get is pushrod tubes to make the swithch right? so not much cost at all considering.
Whats everyones take on reusing the cam gear? talking with Adrain he likes to replace them with USA made new ones when replacing the cam shaft. only asking as i have heard changing this gear could add unwanted noise.
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Westfabulous
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Matt - send it off like Dan said. Especialy since you got the $ back from the other guy! Just make sure they do a complete check again of components BEFORE they assemble.
BTW I like my hydo lifters in the 77 but dont mind the solids in the 74 at all. I think you should make a choice based on practicality. And a practical man would continue the path he chose already
Or you can be that stupid flip floppy guy with more $ than franken cents |
the amount of damage to the hydro cam was amazing, exspecially the number one lobe. and the fact of the matter is i have to replace the cam any ways so since i have to buy new cam and lifters the only other thing to get is pushrod tubes to make the swithch right? |
Don't you need to get the heads re-worked as well?
Would you not have had the exact same problem if you had used solids, given that the lifter bore seems to be the issue?
My 33 year old cam was totally to spec, and showed no signs of wear. Just the faintest sign of metal on metal in the places that it should have been. I am sure that regular use of synthetic oil didn't hurt. Your issues were not about hydros vs solids. You gotta do what you gotta do, but make sure there is a method to the madness, as it were.
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| Westfabulous wrote: |
| My 33 year old cam was totally to spec, and showed no signs of wear. |
do you have photos of your camshaft?
i have never seen a hydraulic cam with any significant mileage on it that was not worn, i'd like to see one.
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Westfabulous
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| germansupplyscott wrote: |
| Westfabulous wrote: |
| My 33 year old cam was totally to spec, and showed no signs of wear. |
do you have photos of your camshaft?
i have never seen a hydraulic cam with any significant mileage on it that was not worn, i'd like to see one. |
I don't have any pictures handy, but Busdaddy has seen it and could probably weigh in, and give his thoughts. As I recall, he felt that it looked pretty much as new, and certainly didn't need any remedial work. Keep in mind that my bus is a low mileage unit, but even so, its not like it has no miles on it.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Westfabulous wrote: |
| germansupplyscott wrote: |
| Westfabulous wrote: |
| My 33 year old cam was totally to spec, and showed no signs of wear. |
do you have photos of your camshaft?
i have never seen a hydraulic cam with any significant mileage on it that was not worn, i'd like to see one. |
I don't have any pictures handy, but Busdaddy has seen it and could probably weigh in, and give his thoughts. As I recall, he felt that it looked pretty much as new, and certainly didn't need any remedial work. Keep in mind that my bus is a low mileage unit, but even so, its not like it has no miles on it. |
I don't have pics handy but I'll try to find one, it was a remarkably clean cam, not brand new but nothing scary either, nicely broken in you could say 
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how many miles on it?
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| Westfabulous wrote: |
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| notchboy wrote: |
Matt - send it off like Dan said. Especialy since you got the $ back from the other guy! Just make sure they do a complete check again of components BEFORE they assemble.
BTW I like my hydo lifters in the 77 but dont mind the solids in the 74 at all. I think you should make a choice based on practicality. And a practical man would continue the path he chose already
Or you can be that stupid flip floppy guy with more $ than franken cents |
the amount of damage to the hydro cam was amazing, exspecially the number one lobe. and the fact of the matter is i have to replace the cam any ways so since i have to buy new cam and lifters the only other thing to get is pushrod tubes to make the swithch right? |
Don't you need to get the heads re-worked as well?
Would you not have had the exact same problem if you had used solids, given that the lifter bore seems to be the issue?
My 33 year old cam was totally to spec, and showed no signs of wear. Just the faintest sign of metal on metal in the places that it should have been. I am sure that regular use of synthetic oil didn't hurt. Your issues were not about hydros vs solids. You gotta do what you gotta do, but make sure there is a method to the madness, as it were. |
len said he would rework heads for $50 plus shipping. Cost more to ship than rework. If there are any issues with the heads he will take care of it then.
As for damage to cam, all you need to do is watch the bug me video of the tear down of a 200k engine. the cam looked horrible. I plan to only drive the bus maybe 6k a year so is hydros really all that warranted. the cost to change is nominal considering I want to eliminate any possible weird noise problem. I know I am speaking out of frustration but I need fixes bad...
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Westfabulous
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| how many miles on it? |
About 45,000. I was running Mobil 1 TDT 5w40 synthetic, which is renowned for its protective properties in relation to heavy duty diesel cams with unit injectors, like my Passat TDI. These diesel cams take a thrashing like nobody's business. The wear studies on this oil are unmatched. A while back I did a pile of internet research on oil for my cars, and it led to the Mobil product. I am now using it in everything.
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| Westfabulous wrote: |
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| notchboy wrote: |
Matt - send it off like Dan said. Especialy since you got the $ back from the other guy! Just make sure they do a complete check again of components BEFORE they assemble.
BTW I like my hydo lifters in the 77 but dont mind the solids in the 74 at all. I think you should make a choice based on practicality. And a practical man would continue the path he chose already
Or you can be that stupid flip floppy guy with more $ than franken cents |
the amount of damage to the hydro cam was amazing, exspecially the number one lobe. and the fact of the matter is i have to replace the cam any ways so since i have to buy new cam and lifters the only other thing to get is pushrod tubes to make the swithch right? |
Don't you need to get the heads re-worked as well?
Would you not have had the exact same problem if you had used solids, given that the lifter bore seems to be the issue?
My 33 year old cam was totally to spec, and showed no signs of wear. Just the faintest sign of metal on metal in the places that it should have been. I am sure that regular use of synthetic oil didn't hurt. Your issues were not about hydros vs solids. You gotta do what you gotta do, but make sure there is a method to the madness, as it were. |
len said he would rework heads for $50 plus shipping. Cost more to ship than rework. If there are any issues with the heads he will take care of it then.
As for damage to cam, all you need to do is watch the bug me video of the tear down of a 200k engine. the cam looked horrible. I plan to only drive the bus maybe 6k a year so is hydros really all that warranted. the cost to change is nominal considering I want to eliminate any possible weird noise problem. I know I am speaking out of frustration but I need fixes bad... |
200,000! That's a lotta miles.....more than 8 times around the world in fact. I wonder how a solid cam would look with that kind of mileage? Anyway, you have to be happy in the end, so carry on, and good luck brother.
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| As for damage to cam, all you need to do is watch the bug me video of the tear down of a 200k engine. |
Is that the "Bug Me" video where Jake Raby shows how to rebuild a Type IV engine?
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| As for damage to cam, all you need to do is watch the bug me video of the tear down of a 200k engine. |
Is that the "Bug Me" video where Jake Raby shows how to rebuild a Type IV engine? |
yep...iv seen it.
and that cam is HELLAAAA shot...lol about a 1/4 inch gouge if i remember right...
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| My 33 year old cam was totally to spec, and showed no signs of wear. |
do you have photos of your camshaft?
i have never seen a hydraulic cam with any significant mileage on it that was not worn, i'd like to see one. |
Found one, I'll keep digging for close ups but overall the inside of the engine was as clean as the bus.
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That is a nice looking chunk of metal!
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: Carpet is here! |
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I looked on this website and could not find the green westy carpet kit for sale ... thoughts?
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Well after a discussion with the boss I was told that i could go ahead and get the replacement carpet from Kieft and Klok in Germany http://www.kieftenklok.nl/uk/index.php . I ordered and it arrived within two weeks. I must say these gentlemen stand behind there products. Quality looks great, color is awsome. I am very pleased with my purchase. It is pricey I know but worth it if you want the closest match to color out there. Should check em out.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Carpet is here! |
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I looked on this website and could not find the green westy carpet kit for sale ... thoughts?
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Well after a discussion with the boss I was told that i could go ahead and get the replacement carpet from Kieft and Klok in Germany http://www.kieftenklok.nl/uk/index.php . I ordered and it arrived within two weeks. I must say these gentlemen stand behind there products. Quality looks great, color is awsome. I am very pleased with my purchase. It is pricey I know but worth it if you want the closest match to color out there. Should check em out.
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What website did you go to? I cannot remember the spelling and do not have time to thumb back threw the tread. Keifter Something? They only had limited supply as it was a NOS carpet role they were reproducing it from. I have and extra cargo area piece but not sure if I would part with it. Currently I'm running new NOS cargo area Carpet, rubber in walk thru area and rubber up front. Mostly to keep the carpet clean.
If you have the correct website maybe you could email them and ask if they still have the carpet. Keep in mind they did not have all the colors.
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Carpet is still there.
http://www.kieftenklok.net/component/page,shop.pro...8/lang,en/
And you're still going to pay dearly for it. 
Really nice quality though. Buy quality, and only cry once.
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My carpet from them looks great and worth the cost to have that OG look. The bad thing is it does not come with a rubber backing on it. I was considering taking the pieces to my local carpet shop and having them add a backing to it for added protection.
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