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Benjamin Gell Samba Member

Joined: January 23, 2012 Posts: 109 Location: Tucson AZ
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:39 am Post subject: T3 kit caution-Don't do what I did! |
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I recently got the T3 kit and have installed it on the shift rod using a little chrome hobby vise as recommended to compress the pin.
First one went fine but: I got a bit too anal on the 2nd one and overtightened the vise (even though its handle is only about 3 inches long!). At least I assume I over-expanded the pin because a hairline crack appeared below the pin on the inside face of the new ear. I've decided to install it anyway and see how it holds up, since the alternative is to spend $ on another kit from T3. Also I don't expect it'll leave me stranded even if it breaks or loosens.
Just hoping to help others avoid the same mistake.
In a related note, some previous mechanic had overtightened the pinch clamp on the shift rods, deforming the rods out-of-round. This may make doing the adjustment difficult, as there is supposed to be free movement there. I plan to use a pair of vise-grips, one on each rod, to make it easier to rotate the rods relative to each other. Anyone else found this condition? _________________ '88 Vanagon Wolfsburg hardtop, 10cent WBXaust.
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rsxsr Samba Member

Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 4780 Location: Loxahatchee, Florida
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: |
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I have never come across one that would spin freely just by loosening the clamp. It is actually easier to adjust if it holds it's position. For sure if the clamp is not tight enough, the adjustment will slip. _________________ 1982 Diesel Vanagon Camper with ALH TDI.
1987 Syncro Tin Top. Organ Donor
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dobryan Samba Member

Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 2081 Location: Brookeville, MD
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: T3 kit caution-Don't do what I did! |
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| Benjamin Gell wrote: | | I plan to use a pair of vise-grips, one on each rod, to make it easier to rotate the rods relative to each other. |
X2 Has worked for me. _________________ Dave O
'87 Westy w/ 2002 Subaru EJ25 w/ TBD and Locker
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Summers420us Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2010 Posts: 444 Location: Amissville, Virginia
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:59 am Post subject: |
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About to do this repair...
What's the verdict? Do it with the rod installed or take the time to remove it? |
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greggearhead Samba Member

Joined: June 20, 2004 Posts: 264 Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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I just did the repair, and I thought, if I am doing it, I should likely do it all, as the Syncro has 200k on it...
I removed both rods, and glad I did. It needed new bushings and new grease, etc. and it was easy to file the ears down to fit the plastic caps, though I admit it took more filing than I thought it would.
Great improvement - got mine from Chris at T3 and got great service and product as usual. _________________ 1971 Bus
1973 911T
1986 Vanagon Synro
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boulderdrop Samba Member

Joined: February 06, 2008 Posts: 361 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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I took out the shift-linkage.
While I can see performing the fix with the spare-dropped.
I hate working on my back and reaching up to do everything; it's hard to switch tools, it's hard to see, it makes my shoulders and next hurt the next day and I usually rush the job and f' it up.
It's not difficult to remove the front shift-linkage, just mark the position of the clamp in the splines and how much to push it all back together. _________________ == My Rides ==
1984 Westy, Bostig, 3rd:1.14, Locker-LSD, Newly Painted
1980 24' J-Boat
1979 Sears Freespirit Moped
1996 Chev S10 4x4 ZR2
2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid (Wife's)
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crez Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2006 Posts: 62 Location: virginia beach, va
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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I just did this fix, on my back with the shift linkage installed. Not bad at all.
Since mine is an 82 I only have one side to replace. I ended up having to file off a good bit on each side in order to get the plastic to fit. Made a good bit of difference so I'm happy. _________________ Chris
Va Beach
1982 Diesel Westy w/1.8L GTI engine swap
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j_dirge  Samba Member

Joined: August 08, 2007 Posts: 3333 Location: The Outer Sunset, San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Finally got around to installing this little kit.
Well done. Good instructions. Relatively easy project.
I chose to pull the rod out.. but would do it in place if I had to do it again.
My power steering rack interferes with pulling the rod out easily.. and the later f/g bumper compunds the problem by reducing clearances
Guides work well.. but I now have tp push down a little to get out of reverse.
I am used to pushing down to get into reverse (lock out). I don't recall ever having to push to return to forward gears from reverse.
I am chalking this up to the slightly taller slide? My OEM guides had fallen off over a year
Question.
Anyone experience this? _________________ 89 GL Westy, orig 2.1L WBXR.. Will it ever blow?
Well.. yes. It blew.. a big hole in the case. Time for a new engine.
| danfromsyr wrote: | those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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rsxsr Samba Member

Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 4780 Location: Loxahatchee, Florida
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:11 am Post subject: |
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I assume 5 speed? How does reverse act? You might need a slight adjustment. If you have someone shift it while you observe what is going on underneath, you may be too tight against the 1st/reverse lockout, or not centered front to back.
My 4 speed had a similar problem until I realized that my shift rod was bent look above at my pictures. It would go into reverse, but was tight on the reverse lockout. In my case, I had to replace the rod to really get it correct. _________________ 1982 Diesel Vanagon Camper with ALH TDI.
1987 Syncro Tin Top. Organ Donor
2011 TDI Jetta Sportwagen. |
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j_dirge  Samba Member

Joined: August 08, 2007 Posts: 3333 Location: The Outer Sunset, San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| rsxsr wrote: | I assume 5 speed? How does reverse act? You might need a slight adjustment. If you have someone shift it while you observe what is going on underneath, you may be too tight against the 1st/reverse lockout, or not centered front to back.
My 4 speed had a similar problem until I realized that my shift rod was bent look above at my pictures. It would go into reverse, but was tight on the reverse lockout. In my case, I had to replace the rod to really get it correct. |
4 speed.
Going into reverse is relatively normal.. though I am pushing down a little more to get into reverse.. (further than prior to new ear caps install).
That makes sense to me since the ear is now a mm or so taller with the new cap on it...
It stays in gear.. runs fine otherwise.
Just on coming out of reverse, the ear hangs up on the lip in the guide box. I have to push down on the gear shift a bit to pop the ear of the guide and back into the forward gears.
Does that make sense?
Its not a deal breaker if I can't adjust it out a bit.
I'll mess with the adjustment some more. _________________ 89 GL Westy, orig 2.1L WBXR.. Will it ever blow?
Well.. yes. It blew.. a big hole in the case. Time for a new engine.
| danfromsyr wrote: | those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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bryguth Samba Member
Joined: June 30, 2010 Posts: 47 Location: So Cal.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I have been having troubles shifting into 2nd on my new trans with 3000 miles... looked at the shift box and my tabs are not in good shape... so I just pulled the trigger on a t3 kit...Hope it helps... |
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boulderdrop Samba Member

Joined: February 06, 2008 Posts: 361 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Tip that worked for me..
0) Align the shifter, in the cab, per the Bently
1) Take off the spare tire "clam-shell"
2) Take off the cover for the shift-box
3) Position a light, so that you can see the movement
4) Have someone work the shifter, inside the van and watch the movement
The transition for 3rd and 4th, should be the natural forward/backward motion of the shifter. But play with it until you get something you like. For me, it's a balance between getting 3/4th easier and the tab getting into the "lock" for reverse. I clamped a nickle between one of the shift-ears-tabs and a gate that I liked, eased the clamp at mid-line in the shift-linkage, then clamped it down again.
The tweaking is done at the point where the forward and rear parts of the shift-linkage join, in the middle of the van. Always mark the position of clamp, in relation to the splines; also in relation to how much the forward-part of the linkage is in the clamp. This is a tweaking point that I didn't realize at first and giving the linkage "more length", but pull the pieces apart a bit helped to correct my reverse and some of the sloppiness in the gates of the shift-box containing the "gates". _________________ == My Rides ==
1984 Westy, Bostig, 3rd:1.14, Locker-LSD, Newly Painted
1980 24' J-Boat
1979 Sears Freespirit Moped
1996 Chev S10 4x4 ZR2
2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid (Wife's)
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benandmj Samba Member
Joined: October 29, 2012 Posts: 49 Location: Atlanta
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:52 am Post subject: |
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I've got the T3 kit in hand but my Bentley is back home. I'm about to knock this out and probably will not remove the shift rod. My question likely has an obvious answer but here we go: I put the transmission in neutral before tackling this, correct? _________________ 85 Westfalia Weekender
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[email protected] Samba Member

Joined: August 03, 2002 Posts: 7055 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:58 am Post subject: |
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I did mine in Neutral prior to installing, went smoothly.
It's one of those jobs that when you are holding the parts in your hand, it's easy to see, and very difficult to describe for the anal types that have to know EXACTLY how it's done prior to starting.
The job is not a big deal at all. _________________ Please do NOT send me Private Messages through the Samba PM System (I will not see them). Send me an e-mail to john at aircooled dot net
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rsxsr Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: |
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I don't believe you remove the "shifter", but the front shift rod. I think the job would go better with the shift rod in a vice. You need to dress the shift rod tabs for the repair peices to fit and I recall drilling for the aluminum plugs. This would be difficult laying on the ground. Could be wrong. Yes if you remove the front shift rod, the transmission needs to be in neutral to adjust it properly. _________________ 1982 Diesel Vanagon Camper with ALH TDI.
1987 Syncro Tin Top. Organ Donor
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squeegee_boy Samba Member

Joined: April 27, 2008 Posts: 447 Location: Langley, BC, Canada
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:52 am Post subject: |
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I've done it twice now: once on the bench, and the other in the van.
In the van is a bit uncomfortable, but it does have the rather nice advantage of not having to realign the shifter when you're done. Saves about 45 minutes. This assumes the shifter alignment was good when you started, of course.
For future installs, I'm leaving it in the van.
Robyn _________________ 1984 FrankenSyncro Westy. Now with a Bostig Turbo!
1990 GL, still with a 2.1L. For now.
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j_dirge  Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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2x on rsxer's words.
Take it out of the van.. I would not think twice doing that again.
Remove box, clean the area thoroughly, hit it with paint if it shows bare metal/rust...install ears with care, and you won't be back in there again for many years.
The shifter adjustment (on 86-91s at least) is much ado about nothing. Don't get psyched out.
Algining the shoft rods *may* have taken me 45 mins the first time becuase it is not intuitive... but the 2nd and 3rd times it took about 5-10 minutes, max. (due to transmission work)
It just isn't that complicated.. AND you have the added benenift of having it properly adjusted to the new ears and corrected from old alignment which may not have been all that great in the first place.
Also a good time to inspect those 25 yr old bushings in your linkage. Maybe they need some attention, too.
Cut corners and you'll likely be back, is all. _________________ 89 GL Westy, orig 2.1L WBXR.. Will it ever blow?
Well.. yes. It blew.. a big hole in the case. Time for a new engine.
| danfromsyr wrote: | those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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cellerdoor Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2012 Posts: 179 Location: Fairfax Virginia
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Ill be tackling this in the next month, from shifter through connection to transaxle. After this work Ill be swapping out a rebuilt transaxle early in spring.
For adjusting, should I just wait until the replacement transaxle is in and do the whole assembly at one time, or can you adjust everything up to the transaxle and then just swap out the transaxle and not have to do any adjusting?
Id hate to spend the time to make the adjustments only to have to redo it again when the rebuilt transaxle goes in. _________________ 1986 Westy |
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j_dirge  Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| cellerdoor wrote: | Ill be tackling this in the next month, from shifter through connection to transaxle. After this work Ill be swapping out a rebuilt transaxle early in spring.
For adjusting, should I just wait until the replacement transaxle is in and do the whole assembly at one time, or can you adjust everything up to the transaxle and then just swap out the transaxle and not have to do any adjusting?
Id hate to spend the time to make the adjustments only to have to redo it again when the rebuilt transaxle goes in. |
If its shifting OK now.. no reason to adjust now.. except you can get under there and mark everything in its original postion and that gives you a benchmark.
Make adjustemts if necesayr and mark "new" spots.
Its also not a bad idea to adjust now and figure out the process.. because once you've done it.. it all makes sense and is very easy to repeat with good results.
Making the spacer per Bentley's instructions is worth every second it takes to make it.. Although I just used a socket that measured very close.. and taped it up in place. _________________ 89 GL Westy, orig 2.1L WBXR.. Will it ever blow?
Well.. yes. It blew.. a big hole in the case. Time for a new engine.
| danfromsyr wrote: | those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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[email protected] Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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I did 2 different kits without removing the shift rod (just the shift box).
Reading the instructions 5x was more difficult than doing it. "How do I know which ear to put them on, they are different? It's not specified in the instructions, because you can't put them on the wrong ones (still would have been nice if they mentioned it).
Just clean it well, and scuff up the ears so the epoxy has something to bite onto. Your van will be "down" for a day while the epoxy sets up well. Obviously this could be an issue if you are doing it outside in Winter, which is not a problem if you remove the shift rod. _________________ Please do NOT send me Private Messages through the Samba PM System (I will not see them). Send me an e-mail to john at aircooled dot net
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