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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wiring...... PO Hell!
I've got the Bentley open.....

No starter, no brake lights and lots of scary hanging wires...... Going IN!! Shocked

Wish me luck! Wink

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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHAT A MESS!!!!!!!!!!

My PO in the previous 36 years before I was blessed to own it, obviously had an engine fire.

All new wires from the Dash connector back to the engine area. Not stock colors BUT they had the decency to use an assortment of colors and stripes, that made the task almost "easy".
They failed to properly wire it however!

I found the source of all my electrical issues an set the fuse panel back correctly.
My PO really liked 16 and 25 amp fuses!
They should all be 8 Amps except for fuse #9 & #10 which are 16 amp.

The only electrical task left is hooking up the horn properly and then remove the remote horn button.
I'm sure there's a reason why the factory horn button was abandoned! Laughing it will require a repair I'm sure........

Then I need organize the wire bundle and reinstall the fuse panel. I sourced a proper black plastic under dash cover for the wire mess as well.

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PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I sourced a proper black plastic under dash cover for the wire mess as well.

Where might one find this part? Is there reproductions or would I have to find an original?
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next!!

Puzzling through horn inoperative issues.......

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6646301#6646301

I've removed a bit of PO installed "extra" wiring from the electrical system.
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Also using the 1973 wiring diagram I've removed the 1974 exclusive seat belt interlock and warning system. Shocked

While this tangle LOOKS worse than what I started with...... It's now functionally correct! Laughing
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I figure I'll paint all of that original Ravena Green before I neaten up and reinstall the fuse panel.
I'm also going to pick up a new cigarette lighter socket as well. (Aka "power port")

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I sourced a proper black plastic under dash cover for the wire mess as well.

Where might one find this part? Is there reproductions or would I have to find an original?


I purchased mine used from a fellow Samba member, I think I paid $10 plus shipping? .............

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 9:39 am    Post subject: Fuse box cover Reply with quote

Sorry to hijack thread, I have a cover but its in the UK. Im willing to ship if needed.

Great thread, have got all that wiring to come on my convertible, yuk.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whew!

All stuffed back in there!

I've a Few wires I've left out to power some planned items but basically...... Good to Go! Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BEAUTIFUL DAY!!!

Blue skies, Sunny! 64 degrees........

Got the car enough together to take a drive finally.

Only one seat, no door panels but functionally it all works! Goes, stops, turns, mirrors, lights.......ummm no wipers. Did I mention it was SUNNY? Laughing

First significant drive in about 2 years! Kinda makes all the work put in worthwhile.......

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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations on the first drive. Driving them really is the best part and makes all the work worth it.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interior Lights.......

Because I've got the Convertible, the interior light is part of the rear view mirror.
Well, that mirror is long gone!
A new one is $80-90 ........ Yeah.... That's NOT happening!

Auto Zone $16.......
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The strip stuck to the lower dash lip......
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Operating by the door jamb switches as it should! Also added a small rocker for lights without the door open. Laughing ....... (BTW, those floor mats are original 1960’s, originally purchased for my first car, a 1960 Beetle, by my Girlfriend (now wife) they've been in almost every 2nd car I've owned! Still in great shape! )......
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On to the IMPORTANT STUFF!

Front Trunk Lining!
Using this thread as inspiration.....
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Never mind I have no door cards and only one seat! ..... FOCUS DAVE! Focus! Smile

A cardboard mock up.........
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also using the 1973 wiring diagram I've removed the 1974 exclusive seat belt interlock and warning system.


To remove the interlock system, did you have to short some wires together at the fuse panel to bypass the system so the car would start? I'm looking to do this on my 74 super, and would be curious how you did it at the fuse panel.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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djkeev wrote:
Also using the 1973 wiring diagram I've removed the 1974 exclusive seat belt interlock and warning system.


To remove the interlock system, did you have to short some wires together at the fuse panel to bypass the system so the car would start? I'm looking to do this on my 74 super, and would be curious how you did it at the fuse panel.


Well, I'll tell you what I did........

I opted to give up a few things, the key buzzer for one.

1). CLIP THE GREY/BLACK WIRE...... The key buzzer is the Grey/Black wire out of the ignition switch....terminal Su....... As designed, When you slip in the key it becomes live with 12volts. I clipped it off at the fuse panel where it goes into the relay. You can cap it, I opted to use it to power a radio (fuse it first). Key in the ignition...... Radio energized. Key removed..... No radio. Smile

2). WHITE/RED out of ignition switch. This is a BIG wire and energizes the Starter Motor after it goes through the relay. I cut it off at the relay. The wire from the Relay to the Starter is RED/BLACK. I joined the White/Red directly to the Red/Black.

3). The BLACK wire from the ignition switch energizes FUSE 11. I simply removed the Black wire from fuse 11 to the Relay and cut it off.... Not needed. You do need the Fuse 11 energized for operation of your brake lights and horn.
LEAVE THE BIG BLACK WIRE CONNECTED TO FUSE 11 !!!!!

4). The following wires are used for the seat contacts.... Just cut them all off at the relay.......
BROWN/BLACK
RED/BLACK
BROWN/YELLOW
GREY/RED

5). I capped off the GREY/GREEN WIRES, they a for the seat belt warning light on the Dash.

6). The GREEN/RED wire goes to the oil pressure switch, I just left it.
7). The brown wires are part of the diagnosis plug.... I just left it.

I unplugged the Relay and tossed it aside.

It all works. My only question is the function of the Brake warning light to actually warn me of anything. I don't know what, my parking brake switch is long gone so to me that entire light is a waste of dash space. There is no low fluid switch so.........

That's what I did. It all works just fine, very much like a 1973 does.

I fear posting this for the Naysayers will chime in on how I can't do this...... Well I did...... It works! Smile

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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been wanting to do something like that to my radio but never actually looked at something like that. That buzzer is annoying.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Dave. I'll have to print that response out and take it out to the car to properly digest it with the wires in front of me.
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beetlenut wrote:
Thanks Dave. I'll have to print that response out and take it out to the car to properly digest it with the wires in front of me.


Use the wiring diagrams to help understand what I did, it will become clear how the connections were made.
Print these diagrams out if you don't own the Bentley. Tht way you can draw on them and make notes as needed for future reference...... Also you won't become "THAT DAMN PO!" Who cut off wires! If you include them with any future sale. Smile

Here is the 1974......
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And the 1973.......
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Keep in mind the identification of items....
"D" is the ignition switch
"S" are fuses, the small number denotes which fuse..... 1-12 with one being on the left.
"B" is the Starter
"F" are brake light switches
"K7" is the warning light on the dash
"J34” seat belt interlock relay
"E31 & E32” are the seat contacts
"E24 & E25" are the latch contacts
"F2 & F3” are door contacts
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looky! Looky!

A Back Seat and Rear Side Panels!

Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Yep! I'm going to be THAT PO who used screws to fasten the door cards! Using the Masonite as the backing board it was too thick for the clips..... Embarassed
Black trim screws to the rescue!
So shoot me! Laughing
(The paint chips you see? My "helpful" Son In Law putting the top frame on........ I love him...... I love him..... I love him...... Shame on you )
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rear Seat Belts are shot, I'll be ordering up some new ones.

Photo of lengths needed to seat......
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I puzzled out the odd piece of Tin......
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=555224&highlight=

Thanks guys!

I've got the seat track guides in place.....
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=553852

I'm down to,
*Fixing the Passenger side floor heater vent flap, it was rusted away, I've made a new door, just need to fasten a cable fastener to it.......
*Finding or making an angled foot rest for the Passenger side (was it originally there? I don't know...... but I like them so I'm putting one in!........ Yeah.... I'm gonna be THAT PO!)
*Install the Passenger seat
*Install the Passenger side Running Board.... Broken tap in one of the threaded holes..... How discouraging!.......Who would be so stupid to break off a tap in a simple hole?? Embarassed .......
*Adjust Drivers Door Window so it sets level when lowered
*Install Plastic behind door card and then install drivers door panel and related parts.
*Dye Drivers seat Grey to match the other Seats already Dyed......
*Adjust Brakes
*Fix leak in Spare Tire
*Installed Wiper Blades
*There is a radio hole...... Undecided what to do. I'd really rather have my iPod work than have a radio........ Think anyone have a cheap even a nonfunctioning "stock" radio?
*Buff out some painted spots and minor touch ups from sitting in garage with four small grandchildren running around......... "WATCH OUT FOR THE CAR!"... They hear only something like the animated comic Charlie Browns parental voices....... Wah Wah, Wah Wah.... Shocked

INSTALL NEW WINDSHIELD THAT I ORDERED FROM CHUCK'S LAST WEEK Dancing (That's why I'm screwing on rebuilt/recycled door cards...... Money better spent on important things)

And then...... Drive it!....... When I'm not working on the Vanagon....

Passenger Door Done! Yeah... I know darn screws.... So close Dave and fall on your face at the finish line! Laughing future Darn PO!
What's the common advice? Do what makes YOU smile?.... Some day I'll order new door cards and do it correctly.........maybe...... Except that There is a saying..... "The Westy gets what the Westy Wants!" I'm finding that to be true already! Westy wants may Trump Beetle needs.......... Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I purchased my 74, the PO had removed the Y's under the rear seat and installed crap AUXILARY electric blower fans!
Arrrrgh! Just leave it alone! It works as designed.... It really does!

Anyway......
I sourced the Y's from a member but one was missing the shutoff flap inside......
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I was able to purchase a replacement original flap new!
http://www.thethingshop.com/prodinfo.asp?number=311255551

Now to install it.......
I needed to manufacture the operating wire, it looks like this....... Closed.....
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Open........
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I simply used a stiff wire from an old heater operating cable and bent it to fit....
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Perfect!
Smile

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