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reluctantartist Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2006 Posts: 1744 Location: Bloomington, IN
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:06 am Post subject: |
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Make sure it is a good shop .... it sounds like you have an exhaust leak plus all the other vacuum leaks in the usual locations. This will never run right until all of that is taken care of and potentially trash the engine from running lean. You might also want to make sure the temp 2 sensor is checked. These vehicles are old there is not a single 30 year old vehicle that does not need maintenance on the vacuum system if it has all of the original hoses. The rubber vacuum hoses do not last that long so even a low mileage vehicle will have issues. Don't let your shop get away with doing a hatchet job on the vacuum system by misadjusting the Air fuel mixture to make up for a vacuum leak. Also if you are going to keep this you really need to get the shop manual and start learning to do some work unless you have deep pockets to pay another mechanic. The air cooled is simpler to work on than the wbxr but is less forgiving if something is not correct. After you get it running the next thing would be to make sure your engine compartment is properly air tight. Of course I assume you have replaced the fuel lines. _________________ 1982 Westy, 1974 412 Variant... Yes, Aircooled's are great! Oh and I do have modern computer controlled vehicles too, but I just don't care about them. |
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Andrew A. Libby Samba Member

Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 3494 Location: Flagstaff, AZ
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| reluctantartist wrote: | | The air cooled is simpler to work on than the wbxr |
That is just not at all true. There is nothing simpler about it. The cooling and heating system of the air-cooled is more complicated than that of the WBX (and also much less effective...) and makes almost every task more difficult. The only exception I can think of is actually bleeding the system, which is unnecessary on the air-cooled. |
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reluctantartist Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2006 Posts: 1744 Location: Bloomington, IN
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The cooling and heating system of the air-cooled is more complicated than that of the WBX (and also much less effective...) and makes almost every task more difficult. |
I disagree but to each his /her own choice.
The main point is in order for a vanagon to be economical to own the owner needs to be willing to get to know how the vehicle works. And lets keep this thread on the topic. _________________ 1982 Westy, 1974 412 Variant... Yes, Aircooled's are great! Oh and I do have modern computer controlled vehicles too, but I just don't care about them. |
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a1fa Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2011 Posts: 251 Location: Central Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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I'm ordering a manual. Does anyone sell an all inclusive vacuum replacement kit? That would be nice. _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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a1fa Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2011 Posts: 251 Location: Central Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Vagon is back from the shop. Plugged up fuel filter. I guess I was getting low to EMPTY and it sucked all that junk in. That means it may happen again since I don't have a working fuel gauge to keep it at least on half talk always. May have to go by miles. I got approximately 14.2 mpg, city driving, and some hills.. about ~ 200 miles to 14 gallons.
Tonight I made my own EGR block-off plate (but I did not disconnect the EGR valve from the throttle), restarted the EGR counter, and officially rolled over my odometer. Now its back to 0, as if it is brand new (bought it at 99.8k, and put 200 miles in 7 days). Vagon idles slightly better. I ziptied a few more vacuum lines. I can still hear hissing from somewhere around the airbox boot... wtf.
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a1fa Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2011 Posts: 251 Location: Central Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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New video, EGR blocked off, 1 exhaust leak fixed (1 to go), some vacuum hoses addressed.. can anyone tell me what is that "hissing" sound.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iJRNjMn3RA _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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Andrew A. Libby Samba Member

Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 3494 Location: Flagstaff, AZ
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| reluctantartist wrote: | | And lets keep this thread on the topic. |
I'll follow your lead on that...
You sound like you've only owned air-cooleds. |
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Andrew A. Libby Samba Member

Joined: February 22, 2006 Posts: 3494 Location: Flagstaff, AZ
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| a1fa, that sounds like a vacuum leak. Sometimes you can locate vacuum leaks by squirting starting fluid at connections. When the idle raises, you've found a vacuum leak. |
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reluctantartist Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, as far as I know there is not a vacuum hose kit for the air-cooled vanagon. Looking at your picture all of the braided hose needs to be replaced ad well as the rubber pieces that are involved in the connections. A temp fix for the rubber pieces is to take them of squeeze them to find cracks and fill the cracks with shoe goo. That will fix the big intake boot too until you by a new one.
Go to airhead parts or bus depot or bus boys these are the numbers for the rubber parts:
022-133-083 rubber y
071-129-967 intake elbow
022-129-637 aar elbow
022-133-073 throttle body gasket
039-133-241 intake manifold sleeves (4)
You can use silicon heater hose for some of the larger vacuum hose at your FLAPS or the places I listed have the hose available. I do not like the braided hose myself.
And here is a discussion on blocking off the EGR. _________________ 1982 Westy, 1974 412 Variant... Yes, Aircooled's are great! Oh and I do have modern computer controlled vehicles too, but I just don't care about them. |
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a1fa Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2011 Posts: 251 Location: Central Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:01 am Post subject: |
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I am going to order all those parts, and a new exhaust, and maybe a new gas tank with new hoses. There was bunch of junk in my fuel filter, not sure if the tank is peeling. Will not know until I drop 'er down.  _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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a1fa Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2011 Posts: 251 Location: Central Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Where can I get the braided vacuum hoses? Someone suggested some braided hose from Lowes/Home Depot... anything else? How about the small vacuum lines?  _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member

Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 1479 Location: Crescent Beach, BC
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:43 am Post subject: |
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You can get the braided hose from Van Cafe or Bus Depot - you'll find the smaller vacuum hose at the local car parts store - Schuck's, O'Reilly, NAPA. Stay away from the lumberyard for car parts - the materials aren't designed to deal with the heat levels in an engine compartment. _________________ '84 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX
'86 Westy Weekender Poptop/2.5 Subaru/5 Speed Posi/Audi Front Brakes/16 x 7 Mercedes Wheels - answers to 'Dixie'
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a1fa Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2011 Posts: 251 Location: Central Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Thank you. I lubricated the shift assembly at lunch hour.. it needed it.. i am wondering if there is an height adjustment inside the assembly. It's a bit easier to add it into reverse now. Sometimes you can accidentally drop into into reverse.. Guess the push-down travel is a bit shorter now. =) _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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a1fa Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Couple of little loose ends left to wrap:
- Leaky windshield wiper reservoir / JB Weld to the rescue.
- Bouncy speedometer
- Incorrect fuel gauge.. It's sporadic. It shows half tank on full  _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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ftp2leta Samba Member

Joined: October 11, 2004 Posts: 2597 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Hi and welcome.
I can hear the knock, knock and acceleration is not a good thing, it's mostly a loose rod problem, could be at the bigger end OR small end.
Take the engine compression. If compression is low have a leak down test done.
Aircool engine produce a fair amount of air displacement so it's sometime very difficult to pin point an air leak.
The 2.0L is also known to drop valve seat so that is why you need la leak down test.
Your air leak sound like it's coming from the Acceleration valve and not the cold start air valve. but again, if it's running rich on idle the cold start valve must be dead... they are all dead even on 1.9L (same valve).
this is dropped valve seat (engine was still running):
2.0L with a strange knocking sound:
Worn cam bearing and cam also make a very strange noise:
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a1fa Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Yikes.. you been there, and done that... ouch. _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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dhaavers Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| a1fa wrote: | Incorrect fuel gauge.. It's sporadic. It shows half tank on full  |
Replace the sender while you have the tank down... _________________ 86 White Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan" |
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reluctantartist Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Ben knows how to give nightmares. _________________ 1982 Westy, 1974 412 Variant... Yes, Aircooled's are great! Oh and I do have modern computer controlled vehicles too, but I just don't care about them. |
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a1fa Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hopefully my engine is just knocking for attention..  _________________ Learn to ride. Ride to learn. |
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ftp2leta Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| reluctantartist wrote: | | Ben knows how to give nightmares. |
Sorry for that but that is all I see. Let's call it reality... for some.
My conclusion: The 2.0L pancake engine was not design for the heavy vanagon. It was under cooled. To have a OK running 2.0L that won't let you down you need to keep it clean and cool.
The ultimate air cool cooling picture:
Yep, clean you cooling duck once every 2 years. What kill those engine is heat, to much of it.
I was able to run my 79 at 350F on each head for 1000' of miles but never on a vanagon. Of course my engine was on 2 carbs well jetted, the Ljet FI was running to lean for fuel economy (NOT) and low emission shit.
To have a great running air cool pancake you need that:
Been there done that. I have converted air cool Vanagaon and bus's to twin card and never had problem. Even the single Progressive Weber is better that that stupid L-Jet injection.
I know a guy who as a prefect running 81 Vanagon, engine was built by Boston Bob, FI was clean and running perfectly (tested), engine was kept clean and well maintain... Still running good today.
Owner is very careful and knowledgeable about his machine, not like the average owner.
High maintenance van and engine... WW1 era design.
Enough of that.
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