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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:42 pm    Post subject: Front Wheel Bearing Spacers Reply with quote

Hi,

I am rebuilding my front wheel bearings and brakes and have some questions about the spacers behind the bearings. Both sides seem different.

Left Side:
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Is the extra bit on the right hand side something stuck on there like a parts of an old bearing? And should these spacers be able to turn freely?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one on right side is worn out. it needs to be replaced.
The inner wheel seal rides on the race/spacer.
There should be a slight interference fit. They tend to rust onto the spindle.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There should be no spacers on the spindles. The bearing seats against the largest diameter of the spindle. The seal rides on the largest dia.

Right side has something that does not belong. The portion the seal rides on will not move.




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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dan macmillan wrote:
There should be no spacers on the spindles. The bearing seats against the largest diameter of the spindle. The seal rides on the largest dia.

Right side has something that does not belong. The portion the seal rides on will not move.


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Begging your pardon but a spacer IS REQUIRED if its on a KL spindles (at least up to 65). Your sketch even shows a "spacer" the seal rides on.........

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See... Right there, #19 in picture...

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C26%2D405%2D017

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not a spacer, its the inner race of the bearing. Its also junk now. Remove it and replace it. The spacer is the grooved piece behind it. First dress down that rust on the axle as best as you can with extra fine emery cloth. Then spray some penetrant and use a chisel carefully between the spacer and the race and the race will come off.

They have taper roller bearings now which replace the ball bearings on king pin front brakes. They're much better, see if you can find some.

BTW, those look like 22mm wheel cylinders. Put those in the back and use the 17mm ones up front.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale M. wrote:

Begging your pardon but a spacer IS REQUIRED at least on KL spindles( at least up to 65). Your sketch even shows a "spacer" the seal rides on.........


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I stand corrected. What appears to be a spacer in my diagram is the inner grease seal.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have pulled both that bearing race and the spacer. I'm going to order a new spacer today. I'll also pull the other one and change that one too.

Thanks for the help.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure both spacers are fine.

Order these instead

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-111-405-647-GR

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-111-405-627-GR
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget new seals.....

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC%2D111%2D405%2D641%2DA

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The seal race/spacer does wear out over time. They end up getting grooves in them from the lip of the seal.
In dirty dust and sandy conditions they wear more.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have already bought new drums, bearings and seals. This is just for peace of mind. I had to order other things and they are pretty cheap. Hopefully they go on without to much trouble.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I use for cleaning spindles is the sand paper for cleaning copper pipe.
If you are going to use tapered roller bearings instead of the ball bearing wheel bearings, you want to make sure bearings will slip on and off spindles.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick.falconer wrote:
I have already bought new drums, bearings and seals. This is just for peace of mind. I had to order other things and they are pretty cheap. Hopefully they go on without to much trouble.


Use intact/new locking tabs on the axle nuts.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have also ordered new locking tabs, thrust washers, dust caps etc. The only old parts are the spindles, brake springs and retaining clips and the two nuts which hold the drum on.

Thanks for all the advice.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do away with the nuts and locking plate. I use the pinch spindle nuts like VW used on the later model BJ spindles.

Here is a LP set:

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are the threads the same on the LP and ball joint spindles? I would like to use clamp nuts but cannot find a set for LP series.

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-131-405-669

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe so.... Put clamp nuts on my BJ front end and didn't even give it a thought...

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BL3Manx wrote:
BTW, those look like 22mm wheel cylinders. Put those in the back and use the 17mm ones up front.


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Didn't we just go through this? It is not possible to put the front wheel cylinders on the rear of 1967 and older Bugs. At the very minimum you need new backing plates and shoes. At worst you find there isn't room for 40mm wide brake shoes in the rear drums (1958-1967 Bugs used 30mm wide rear brake shoes.)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heywebonya wrote:
Are the threads the same on the LP and ball joint spindles? I would like to use clamp nuts but cannot find a set for LP series.

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-131-405-669

Thanks, Jeff


No, different threads, EMPI etc. do Chinese aluminum ones for k&l fronts but I'm not sure I'd trust them for street use...

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1304739
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I know this is an old thread,but I beleive it is the best one for my question.

Are those spacers supposed to move or are they fixed ?

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