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nick.falconer Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2011 Posts: 79 Location: Stanmore Bay, Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:42 pm Post subject: Front Wheel Bearing Spacers |
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Hi,
I am rebuilding my front wheel bearings and brakes and have some questions about the spacers behind the bearings. Both sides seem different.
Left Side:
Right Side:
Is the extra bit on the right hand side something stuck on there like a parts of an old bearing? And should these spacers be able to turn freely?
Thanks
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jsturtlebuggy Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2005 Posts: 4496 Location: Fair Oaks/Orangevale, CA
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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The one on right side is worn out. it needs to be replaced.
The inner wheel seal rides on the race/spacer.
There should be a slight interference fit. They tend to rust onto the spindle. _________________ Joseph
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dan macmillan Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2003 Posts: 3110 Location: Northern Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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There should be no spacers on the spindles. The bearing seats against the largest diameter of the spindle. The seal rides on the largest dia.
Right side has something that does not belong. The portion the seal rides on will not move.
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20365 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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dan macmillan wrote: |
There should be no spacers on the spindles. The bearing seats against the largest diameter of the spindle. The seal rides on the largest dia.
Right side has something that does not belong. The portion the seal rides on will not move.
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Begging your pardon but a spacer IS REQUIRED if its on a KL spindles (at least up to 65). Your sketch even shows a "spacer" the seal rides on.........
See... Right there, #19 in picture...
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C26%2D405%2D017
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BL3Manx Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2006 Posts: 6767 Location: Northern California
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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This is not a spacer, its the inner race of the bearing. Its also junk now. Remove it and replace it. The spacer is the grooved piece behind it. First dress down that rust on the axle as best as you can with extra fine emery cloth. Then spray some penetrant and use a chisel carefully between the spacer and the race and the race will come off.
They have taper roller bearings now which replace the ball bearings on king pin front brakes. They're much better, see if you can find some.
BTW, those look like 22mm wheel cylinders. Put those in the back and use the 17mm ones up front.
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dan macmillan Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2003 Posts: 3110 Location: Northern Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Dale M. wrote: |
Begging your pardon but a spacer IS REQUIRED at least on KL spindles( at least up to 65). Your sketch even shows a "spacer" the seal rides on.........
Dale |
I stand corrected. What appears to be a spacer in my diagram is the inner grease seal. _________________ Licensed Automotive Service Technician
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nick.falconer Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2011 Posts: 79 Location: Stanmore Bay, Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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I have pulled both that bearing race and the spacer. I'm going to order a new spacer today. I'll also pull the other one and change that one too.
Thanks for the help. |
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BL3Manx Samba Member
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20365 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Don't forget new seals.....
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC%2D111%2D405%2D641%2DA
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jsturtlebuggy Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2005 Posts: 4496 Location: Fair Oaks/Orangevale, CA
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:44 am Post subject: |
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The seal race/spacer does wear out over time. They end up getting grooves in them from the lip of the seal.
In dirty dust and sandy conditions they wear more. _________________ Joseph
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nick.falconer Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2011 Posts: 79 Location: Stanmore Bay, Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:58 am Post subject: |
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I have already bought new drums, bearings and seals. This is just for peace of mind. I had to order other things and they are pretty cheap. Hopefully they go on without to much trouble. |
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jsturtlebuggy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:04 am Post subject: |
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What I use for cleaning spindles is the sand paper for cleaning copper pipe.
If you are going to use tapered roller bearings instead of the ball bearing wheel bearings, you want to make sure bearings will slip on and off spindles. _________________ Joseph
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BL3Manx Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:53 am Post subject: |
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nick.falconer wrote: |
I have already bought new drums, bearings and seals. This is just for peace of mind. I had to order other things and they are pretty cheap. Hopefully they go on without to much trouble. |
Use intact/new locking tabs on the axle nuts. |
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nick.falconer Samba Member
Joined: January 09, 2011 Posts: 79 Location: Stanmore Bay, Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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I have also ordered new locking tabs, thrust washers, dust caps etc. The only old parts are the spindles, brake springs and retaining clips and the two nuts which hold the drum on.
Thanks for all the advice. |
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joescoolcustoms Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2006 Posts: 9054 Location: West By God Virginia
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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I do away with the nuts and locking plate. I use the pinch spindle nuts like VW used on the later model BJ spindles.
Here is a LP set:
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heywebonya Samba Member
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Dale M. Samba Member
Joined: April 12, 2006 Posts: 20365 Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite Valley
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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I believe so.... Put clamp nuts on my BJ front end and didn't even give it a thought...
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5446 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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BL3Manx wrote: |
BTW, those look like 22mm wheel cylinders. Put those in the back and use the 17mm ones up front. |
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Didn't we just go through this? It is not possible to put the front wheel cylinders on the rear of 1967 and older Bugs. At the very minimum you need new backing plates and shoes. At worst you find there isn't room for 40mm wide brake shoes in the rear drums (1958-1967 Bugs used 30mm wide rear brake shoes.) _________________
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manxdavid Samba Member
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kdcaul Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2007 Posts: 60
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
I know this is an old thread,but I beleive it is the best one for my question.
Are those spacers supposed to move or are they fixed ?
Thanks,
Kevin |
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