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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Aaron wrote:
Looking for the routing contour of the lines. I remember there was some conversation about the RGB bolt lock plates and there were great pics of this area but I can't find them now. Thanks
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Found it: "'Unknown' Barndoor Deluxes" thread, page 33

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1...;start=640

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
awesome reference pics, thanks RS Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:21 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor Brakes Reply with quote
RockStock, great reference pics! Tranks for sharing!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:52 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor Brakes Reply with quote
Thank you. We all stand on each other's shoulders. Just yesterday some of Everett's reference pictures (hosted here) of a bd cargo floor helped me out. And before that, some of Florian's detail pictures on his Swamp thread.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:00 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor Brakes Reply with quote
Hi
I'd use this old post to help me.
I'm restoring a June 53 barndoor, I have removed brake, cylinder are 19mm front and rear... From what I know on bug there is a ratio to follow to have correct brake balance, I guess that's the same for barndoor?
Then what's correct cylinder size front and rear? I've heard all 22mm, but from what I've read there it's 22 front 19 rear? 🤔
Master cylinder is well same as bug 19mm?
Thanks for the help
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:06 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor Brakes Reply with quote
From earlier in this thread:
22mm front (Barndoor only)
19mm rear (Same as oval window front)
19mm master cylinder, can use replacement Porsche 356 master cylinder

My understanding is the Beetle 19mm one is different and wrong but I don't have the exact details
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Barndoor Brakes Reply with quote
Hi Everett
Thanks for the reply
OK, you're sure about porsche MC works but beetle one not, correct ?
All BD have 22 front and 19mm rear, no difference from 50 to 55?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Barndoor Brakes Reply with quote
palmgreen57 wrote:
Hi Everett
Thanks for the reply
OK, you're sure about porsche MC works but beetle one not, correct ?
All BD have 22 front and 19mm rear, no difference from 50 to 55?
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Yan

I'm 100% sure the Porsche master cylinder works because I know Greg (campingbox) said he has used it at least once and I trust him.

The Master cylinder is not the same from 50-55 though.
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... parts list and workshop manual and both indicate that 22.20mm master cylinders were only used up to chassis number 20-05208. 19.05mm after that.


My parts book says the same wheel cylinders for all Barndoors but I only have the later parts book.
My copy only lists the 19mm master cylinder so I don't know if there is any wheel cylinder differences for the super early Barndoor Buses that match up with the 22.2mm master cylinder.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Barndoor Brakes Reply with quote
OK, good infos!
Have to find porsche MC now
Maybe ate make them in repro?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:42 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor Brakes Reply with quote
The problem with beetle vs BD bus m/c is that the bug uses a rubber seal for the (remote) brake reservoir can. the rubber seal simply plugs in top of the m/c and then the feed line is popped in the rubber.
BD and later bus uses a bolt on, Aluminium brake fluid reservoir, which is fastened with a hollow hex screw from inside the can. so the bus m/c has threads in the top feeder boss, whereas the beetle has just a stepped round recess. I don't know if this could be tapped for proper metric threads.
If you are not going for a 100% correct restoration you could as well use the bug m/c and use a remote reservoir can inside the front panel, much like a 1968 T2a ( but they use dual circuit brakes, which could be an option if you are looking for safety).
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:11 am    Post subject: Re: Barndoor Brakes Reply with quote
Hi
I have on my 53 oval an ate MC with the aluminum can bolted on, and I'd do same on my barndoor

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Barndoor Brakes Reply with quote
I am not sure if the early beetle m/c is 17 or 19mm
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