Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
Does CSP center linkage clear with tall manifolds?
Page: Previous  1, 2
Forum Index -> Performance/Engines/Transmissions Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
modok
Samba Member


Joined: October 30, 2009
Posts: 26787
Location: Colorado Springs
modok is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the effective leverage is the distance of the blue line.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Since you have moved the carbs up, and one link is longer then the other, the angle of the levers to the red lines is probably not quite equal anymore, also, it would be good if they hit 90 degrees a bit closer to idle than WOT, to make it slightly progressive in a good way.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
youngstah
Samba Member


Joined: December 28, 2008
Posts: 89
Location: california
youngstah is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Modok thanks for taking the time and for the help here.

Below is a shot of the engine with the mod.
Main take away - leverage between each rod angle should be equal. I'll take a closer look at this. Looking at the picture does this look like the majority of my problem?

Any other comments re linkage arms?

I'm thinking to get the same leverage i may be able to add a height spacer at the bellcrank to adjust angle/leverage on the left side carb w/o altering the push rod. does this sound crazy?

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
FreeBug
Samba Member


Joined: March 12, 2012
Posts: 4278
Location: deepest, darkest Switzerland
FreeBug is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Does CSP center linkage clear with tall manifolds? Reply with quote

I hate to say this, but guys, Push-Push? Really? Yuck!

If you center the linkage, so it is halfway between the two carbs longitudinally (half the offset), and get all the angles right, preferably with the linkage pivot ball-joints seperated apart by the same distance as the carb offset, you can have a really nice, even, Pull-Pull system. It's a lot of work, but I'm glad I did it. I had to order the left-handed die, though, and it was a lot of work.

Study the stock Type3 system, and emulate that, it was worked out by actual engine-ears.

Having said that, follow what Modok is saying, it will probably work just fine.

I messed up, very old thread.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Tvättbjörn
Samba Member


Joined: May 07, 2004
Posts: 1431
Location: SoCal
Tvättbjörn is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Does CSP center linkage clear with tall manifolds? Reply with quote

Having one rod with a bent on one side should not make any difference as long as the total distance between rod ends is the same between left and right rod. The center of the linkage has to be in center of the linkage lever on the carbs ( back to front ) .

In other words. If you are using a center pull / push linkage designed for straight up manifolds and using it on off-set manifolds that is going to cause incorrect opening angles.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Ohio Tom
Samba Member


Joined: February 09, 2006
Posts: 1660
Location: Marshallville Ohio
Ohio Tom is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

youngstah wrote:
Modok thanks for taking the time and for the help here.

Below is a shot of the engine with the mod.
Main take away - leverage between each rod angle should be equal. I'll take a closer look at this. Looking at the picture does this look like the majority of my problem?

Any other comments re linkage arms?

I'm thinking to get the same leverage i may be able to add a height spacer at the bellcrank to adjust angle/leverage on the left side carb w/o altering the push rod. does this sound crazy?

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


I see no issue with your mods
Should be just fine that way.
You can use the 1/2 side to adjust sync with.
The bend has zero effect on geometry that the arm sees.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Performance/Engines/Transmissions All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page: Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2023, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB
Links to eBay or other vendor sites may be affiliate links where the site receives compensation.