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Steven Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:51 pm Post subject: Difference between 72 STD Beetle and SUP..Beetle |
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I am trying to find out the differences between a 72 standard Beetle nad a 72 Super Beetle.
Suspension......
Body...... Do they have the same front trunk lid and rear deck lid, doors, etc?
Brakes.....
Engine....
Interior....
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76706 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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They are different front the front bumper to the windshield and the same the rest of the way.
jodybug wrote: |
Suspension...... Front totally different, rear exactly the same
Body...... Do they have the same front trunk lid and rear deck lid, doors, etc?
Trunk and front fenders are different, doors, rear fenders and decklid are the same.
Brakes.....
Front brakes are different and rear are the same
Engine....
The same
Interior....
the same |
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TjdTaylor Samba Member
Joined: July 04, 2011 Posts: 1727 Location: Niagara Falls, Ontario
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Difference between 72 STD Beetle and SUP..Beetle |
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Suspention : Better in the front end cause of the sturuts
Body : Different front apron, car is overall 1' longer and has abit more inside room
Brakes : Same
Engine : Same (as far as i know)
Interior : Biggest difference, supers have the larger dash, padded dash with the big lump, and the inside have more room.
*EDIT* i was thinking 73+ Supers _________________ 1974 SuperBeetle Build
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I can't see myself cutting up my super beetle . Maybe a oval or 61 or so with the small windows |
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Steven Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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So front trunk lid is different? I can't use a 72 standard beelte front lid on a 72 Super Beetle or visa versa. Front suspension is different, how about rear? |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76706 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Trunks and suspension are different.
Rears are the same... like I said. _________________ Glenn
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tundrawolf Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2009 Posts: 1384 Location: RIP Mishomi my friend. I will always love you.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Depends on what you mean by "Better" front suspension. The Super has better cornering, handling, etc on the street. But if you ever plan on taking it off road, a super is NOT what you want. The towers can literally tear out (Happened to a friend but he was jumping his, he knew better and that is what happened) and all sort of sheet metal can bend tear, and thinner more fragile components can break if you do anything remotely serious.
The larger, bulkier, heavier and not as nice handling components of the Kingpin work onroad, but are almost unbreakable offroad. Same with balljoint, but KP is generally considered tougher than balljoint, an dboth are far stronger than Super. |
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mtdorajohn Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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ok, to make sure we are all on the same page;
from the back bumper to the front windshield; totally the same, all interchangeable parts......
the front hood, "bonnet" area, suspension, apron, literally everything in front of the windshield is different.....
The hood was made for only two years, 71 and 72..... no aftermarket hood available..... find a spare and stash it away is my advice.... all the other front parts are available aftermarket..... the original apron is slotted in case you had AC.... I have found a non-slotted apron that really looks good.....
my 2 cents....
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Joel Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Of coarse all this only applies if Jodybug is in US/Canada, no mention of location.
Pretty much everywhere else standard bugs have smaller engine, different swing axle rear suspension, different wheels, seats, brakes, etc etc _________________ Quick little bug, you got a Porsche motor in that?
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1972super2110 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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They have slightly bigger front brakes as well. _________________ 1972 Super Beetle owned since 2005
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10191353#10191353
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Looks like the work of a younger, more agile jackass to me. |
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Chris Vellat Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Super Beetles use the same diameter and width brakes as Type III's use on the back (9.782"-9.882"x45mm)...and they use very early Type III wheel cylinders (23.8mm).
Std Beetle of the same vintage is 9.112" Max diameter by 40mm shoe and a slightly smaller wheel cylinder. |
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Gary Person of Interest
Joined: November 01, 2002 Posts: 17069 Location: 127.0.0.1
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:07 am Post subject: |
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This is a Beetle and that is a Super Beetle <-- Stickies topic, beat to death if you search. Etc., etc. _________________ West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943) |
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Steven Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Thank you very much for all the information.
I will find the stickys are proceed with my education on the dufferences.
I am located in Illinois so the info you have provided helps a great deal.
I happened across a low mileage 72 Super. It was tapped in the front end. It dented the bonnet, and a small area under where the bonnet was hit. The front apron is fine. Must have been hit higher up. I will look for a undamaged bonnet but this one is easily fixable.
The previous owner had drilled and popped out the ignition switch.
I just got a new switch in today and will install it so I can start the engine and see if all is well.
He was going to do a restoration on it, tear it all apart, pull the motor, etc. Not sure why but to make it easier to pull the motor he cut the rear apron off. Must have not wanted to lift the car up to slid the engine out.
Apron has no rust and he made two nice straight cuts so it will be one of the easiest weld jobs I've done to put it back on. Thanks again |
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Willhelm Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2011 Posts: 818 Location: NY
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like he might have been part way through the removable rear apron modification but never got around to welding the pins and sockets on. It's nothing I have done, but I have read about it here. You may want to read up on it and consider the mod since it's already been cut. Just throwin' it out there.
http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showpost.php?p=2238032&postcount=16 |
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:49 am Post subject: |
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And the mod plays right into it _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
tasb wrote: |
I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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sb001 wrote: |
maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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schadenfreude Banned
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:56 am Post subject: |
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it's Christmas eve.
you must search, you dog. we are all too busy drinking like fish, to answers such lowly questions..... STD<>SB
and welcome and do ask more questions.... lots of helpers.
CHEERS ! |
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