Subaru Engines Vs. VW Engines

Mal evolent · Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:21 pm Post subject:

way too much "I don't understand what you said so thet proves you're wrong" going on around here. yet another thread that demonstrates that half the population is of below average intelligence.
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Ghia Nut · Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:02 am Post subject:

Tram, if this were the 60's, the 70's, hell maybe just maybe even the 80's Id stick with a type 1 engine. Id like to think by the way you guys make it sound, german vw parts could be found at your local drug store, and thats great. Id also like to believe that this is how it is today, but its not. Ill never forget my dad blew his 1200cc engine back in 1960 something. He went to the stealership and bought a 1500cc dual port out of a bus, he loved the hell out of that car, that was fast to him, but he said the thing was damn reliable. $250 though, which was of course quite a bit of money then but he loved the performance vs the 1200 which apparently was a piece to begin with. These things don't happen to us kids these days when concerning vws, and we cant help that let alone spend 3k for a stock engine thats worth its salt. And for those of us who would like to go slightly faster, 5k for a dated design just seems a bit... wasteful and opening yourself up for disapointment. If this were the way backs where german parts grew on trees, then yeah, Id hot rod the hell out of a type one, but its getting way to expensive to do this and reliably of parts and builders is too questionable to bet 5000 dollars on. This is not to say that type1 engines aren't cool, its just they arent made like they used to be, which is something every one can agree on, even us young folks. I think jake has made another good point concerning a german designed engine with chinese parts, its just not right. If vw was still able to make a good reliable 100% factory long block like they did back then for 1000 a pop for the next 25-30 years, hell yeah Id do that, but Id also like to have a million dollar annual paycheck. Wish in one hand and $#!+ in the other and see which one fills up faster. Again if its a pre 60, keep it stock or what ever you want to do. Are you guys really going to hate on a fat chick with suby engine? I mean it wasn't like you were going to restore the fatty to show room condition and make it a trailer queen Rolling Eyes

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bugnut68 · Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:50 am Post subject:

I think the Subaru conversion is a great fit for VWs, particularly buses and Vanagons. I probably wouldn't do one for a Bug, as I'm simply not willing to put in the necessary planning for mounting the radiator/lines, etc., but that's just me.
I'd rather see/hear a Subie in a VW than a stupid rotary engine... a rotary is one of those engine sounds that can turn my good mood foul just within seconds of hearing it. Lol.
That being said, I think it's more of a thing of people wanting to do something different with their car... the number of people truly driving their performance-built air-cooled VWs for 10s of thousands of miles is extremely small, from my observations. Certainly not mainstream anymore. I think more people tear their engines down and change/upgrade/rebuild out of boredom or desire for a new combo than necessity.
For those that play with these cars as a hobby/past time, jetting and adjusting carbs, adjusting valves, etc., is no big deal.
My views would be different for someone wanting to drive one of these ancient cars as primary transportation each and every day, and everywhere.

Tram · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:26 am Post subject:

Jake Raby · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:08 am Post subject:

Ten years ago this thread would have been locked because about 2% of the following would have been open to the Suby conversion... Five years ago that number would have been greater, but the thread would have been a HUGE pissing contest between air and water enthusiast. Back then even I would have been debating against the Suby, but today it just makes sense, especially for those who want EFI, A/C and modern amenities in their vintage VW.

Today the interaction is more respectful and people are tired of overpriced, under developed, substandard components offered by the majority of the VW industry. These people and their associated business models will catalyze the move toward engine alternatives even more and have already made the "alternatives" more accepted than ever before.

Do the same thing or create something new; I have chosen to do both.
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surfbeetle · Samba Member Joined: September 07, 2005 Posts: 401

If you go to http://vwkd.co.uk/bb/ the have a link to a pdf guide that talks about what's needed to convert an aircooled to watercooled. With a bus, you can install a belly mounted radiator and have a suby such as DOHC ej20-25. In a Ghia or type 3, you can put the radiator in front and use a DOHC. The bug can have a DOHC but it's more difficult, IRS you have to move the engine and trans forward. With a swingaxle, there are some other tricks plus engine bay mods that need to be done. By far, a SOHC subaru engine is the easiest to install.
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JustBuggy · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:32 am Post subject:

Jake, are you doing any work on the 6 cyl. Subs?

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Jake Raby · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject:

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Ghia Nut · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:10 pm Post subject:

Jake has a casting there or cross section of the Subaru head, one exhaust track is longer than the other, not really optimal but how else would Subaru do it? I bet this aides the boxer rumble as well... god I love that sound. Can remember why its done this way as iirc there is either a water passage or something there.
Mr. Raby, tell me you are not trying to redesign the wheel of Subaru heads, they couldn't possibly flow any more...
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This will likely change tomorrow to something else.

Beetspeed · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:49 am Post subject:

Well, if you want to convert to watercooling, why not do it to the max right away and even stay Volkswagen:

Passat W8, 4.0 ltr. Its short enough anyways Twisted Evil

(its not ending up in one of my cars: I am gonna make a coffe-table out of it Cool

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Jake Raby · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:02 am Post subject:

The Suby heads can flow more..
I don't like the sound of the Suby engine and there are many things responsible for it.

My JR28 doesn't sound like a suby or a VW.
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Altema · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:34 am Post subject:

Jake Raby · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:46 am Post subject:


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